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I purchased a box of 22 LR ammo at Wal-Mart about a month ago, Remington 36 gr Brass-plated high velocity in a 525 round value pack. I get frequent failures to fire, and today I cracked open a round and found out why. The bullet and powder are good, but the priming compound was not spun all the way around the rim of the case. There is a gap, about 15% of the circumference, and if the firing pin strikes that gap the round will not fire. I get about one FTF every twenty rounds.
The (I assume) lot number which is printed inside the lid of the box is D26FC1233, but then the last 3 has a 4 hand-written over it. I wonder........ Also, the bullet is 40 grains, not 36 grains.
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Dragon88 wrote: I purchased a box of 22 LR ammo at Wal-Mart about a month ago, Remington 36 gr Brass-plated high velocity in a 525 round value pack. I get frequent failures to fire, and today I cracked open a round and found out why. The bullet and powder are good, but the priming compound was not spun all the way around the rim of the case. There is a gap, about 15% of the diameter, and if the firing pin strikes that gap the round will not fire. I get about one FTF every fifteen rounds.
The (I assume) lot number which is printed inside the lid of the box is D26FC1233, but then the last 3 has a 4 hand-written over it. I wonder........
Dragon, seems like wallyworld gets the dregs of the factory stuff sometimes.
A few years ago, they sold 525 packs of Federal .22lr in a "value" pack. My brother bought some and it cost him the end of his .22 barrel. In the course of shooting, he heard a "funny" noise, On checking, he found that the end of his barrel was split for about an inch and a half. His gunsmith told him, after cutting and recrowning the barrel, that a bullet just barely made it to the end of the bore, and the next one did the split..
Oh well, just wait until wallyworld puts chinese .22 ammo on the shelves.
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when wally demands cheaper,that is what they get.they have driven many business out of business.
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I was once told that ammo manufacturers pull quality control samples every so many thousands rounds on the .22 rimfire line. At that point they change the lot number. These samples are submitted for testing. If the samples are out of spec they go and correct the problem be it light loads, poor crimps etc. The lot number at the point of sample backward is pulled off of the full retail market and put in the Wal-mart pile. True? I doubt it, but that was the story floating around the gun range. RD
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Was the round you cracked open one that didn't fire?
I'm more suspect of the firing pin on your gun with that many misfires. A good thoro cleaning and check the face of that pin to make sure its not dinged up might do wonders.
Remington nor nobody else is going to supply Walmart, nor any other retailer faulty ammo. They're not going to stand the liability if the ammo goes really bad , and they're not going to willingly/knowingly get the bad press.
I shoot 1000's of those golden bulk packs every year for prairie dog control. Never a hint of trouble.
Call Remington , tell them what you've got going on, could be they got a bad batch of ammo out and don't know it yet.
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Yes I cracked open one that didn't fire. The indentation from the firing pin was right on the gap in the priming compound. Normally I would suspect the gun, except that I haven't gotten FTF with any other ammo, at least four different brands and many hundreds of rounds. These are very good, accurate rounds otherwise, and I like that the copper jacket keeps my fingers cleaner when loading.
I'll crack open more misfires when I go to the range on Sunday and investigate a bit more.
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That makes sense.
Either your firing pin system is dirty and getting sluggish , or maybe the spring is getting weak.(could even be oil around the pin and spring stiffened up in cold weather ) Or it possible you've got crud build up in the chamber recess, not letting the round fully chamber and therefor the firing pin isn't getting a good blow on the rim. If your firing pin face isn't good and square it'll cause misfires. Get all that cleaned up, and chances are the misfires will go away. The reason you're finding the priming compound missing under the firing pin strike is because the pin isn't hitting it hard enough to set it off, but merely knocking it loose.
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Dragon88, you're correct, this ammo is so cheaply made that most of us have a 5-10% failure to fire rate with this ammo. Some lots are worse than others, some are better, but everybody that shoots this cheap ammo has problems with it sooner or later. I've had trouble with remington ammo every since they moved from ilion, n.y. to arkansas, Try cci and see if you do better.
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I had the same problem with the Remington "Value Pack" .22LR ammo. I ended up contacting Remington and sending them 4 or 5 of the rounds that failed to fire. The failure rate was about 10% out of that 525 round box. They sent me a coupon good for the price of a new Value Pack. I wrote back to them and told them I didn't want their coupon or more of the same ammo - I wanted them to fix the problem.
It would appear that they have not. I haven't bought any more Remington .22LR since that experience. Been shooting Federals and Blazers with nary a problem.
BTW, I bought mine at Cabela's, so it isn't just Wally World that gets the dregs.
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It's not only Remington. I bought a brick of Federals a couple years ago that seemed to have a FTF every 8 or 10 th. round.
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Hmm this is unfortunate. I understand the profit margin on 22 ammo is pretty small, but I wouldn't mind paying an extra dollar or two a box if it meant the ammo was made right. American Eagle 40 gr, the stuff in the red box, has been pretty good for me so far so I'll stick with that.
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I prefer standard velocity for most of my .22 shooting. I've settled for cci standard velocity for most of my shooting. I also shoot eley club and 10x when the situation warrants the extra expense. cci mini-mags do real well for squirrel hunting, etc.
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Any particular reason you like standard velocity? As I understand it, standard velocity is transonic early in flight so it loses the accuracy of subsonic ammo as well as the energy of high velocity rounds. I've never shot it though so how does it actually perform?
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I shoot the Aquila Golde Eagle target ammo, and the Federal Champion (in the bulk box) both rounds hold up quite well to 270 yds, altho regular highspeed 22 lr does pretty well out that far also.
The hyper velocity stuff does ok at that distance until the wind picks up, and then the stuff goes to blowing all over the place.
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As a rule ,standard velocity ammo is more accurate than high velocity. Standard velocity .22 ammo remains sub-sonic during it's entire flight.
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Worst 22 ammo was aquila & pmc that I tried to fire 1/2 would't fire,I still have some I bought 20 years ago and it goes bang ,dud,dud ,bang.
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I picked up a box of this ammo at Wal-Mart. It's reasonable in price, between the bulk cheap stuff and premium 22lr. I'll see how it does at the range.
I also disassembled some more of those dud Remington Golden Bullet rounds. A few were terrible, they barely had any priming compound and it had huge gaps around the rim. Powder charge was consistent to +/- .1 grains (1.9gr average).
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I had some rem ammo that wouldn't feed and cci flat point that my 10-22 & browning auto loading 22 didn't like but the 22 conversion kit for my Colt 1991A1 chambered every round.I have some Federal Bulk 22 ammo that went thru perfectly.I like cci 22 minimags never had any failures to feed.
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I have had a lot of trouble with Remington rimfire ammo. Not only with 'no-fires', but also seeing a variation in powder charge, giving inconsistent velocity and grouping. Some will not cycle my Browning Buckmark pistol. I call them "Thunderduds" and "Goldenduds". I avoid them. Shame, as I like Remmy's centerfire ammo.
The Federals all perform okay, as to function and velocity - but the grouping isn't as tight as I would like.
My favorite .22 ammo is CCI Standard - essentially Greentag that didn't make the grade, from what I have read elsewhere. True? I don't know - but it works fine for me. Minimags are good too, and are my Numba Two favorite.
I like the oddball Aguila ammo for certain specific purposes, but not for general plinking and practice. Their SSS ("Sniper Subsonic") will put the hurting on a varmint up close though - gotta love that 60 grain pill! As a buddy says - "Good whompability factor"! Not all rifles will stabilise it though. I find it works best in older .22 rifles with longer barrels. I sometimes use the primer-only Colibri and Super Colibri loads for indoor shooting during bad weather, or to get a new sight or scope in the ballpark without going out to the range. The neighbors never know I'm shooting! Really did a job on a huge Wolf Spider indoors too..... 
Their SuperMaximum is said to be the fastest .22LR made - but accuracy is lacking at a distance - fun though! Range folks think I'm shooting a .22WMR! Never had any function problem with any Aguila load. And I even like the 'Eley Stink" of the priming compound! 
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This is a problem until now, only buy Federal.
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