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Posted: 17 February 2006 02:00 AM |
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I was wondering if anyone owns and shoot the little M1 30 Carbine. I have own a dozen over the years and wish i had keep at least one of them. I loved the way they handled and i killed a bunch of groundhogs with them while just walking in the fields but that was a few years back. I have carried one deer hunting a few times because it was the only rifle i owned at the time, i had it loaded with factory softpoint ammo . They are fun to shoot and the next one i find at a reasonable price i will take it home with me. One i wish i had keep was the Enforcer Pistol Model it was almost useless for anything beside a house gun but still fun to shoot. 
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Posted: 17 February 2006 02:44 AM |
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i have one and shoot it occasionally.
not legal here for big game, not much fun on a prairie dog town, so i only mess w/ it once in awhile. its a general motors, 1943.
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Posted: 17 February 2006 02:49 AM |
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Don't have one but I'd like one. There's just something cool about those little carbines.
Make mine a Rockola, so I can Rock-N-Rolla....... 
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Posted: 17 February 2006 01:33 PM |
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whats the ballistics of the 30M1 like in a carbine?
would it be possible to use it on bigger game , or is it on the light side?
It always looked to me like the ideal little rifle to have around on a farm, for general purpose work,and would be an excellent piece for self defence in the same time?
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Posted: 17 February 2006 03:00 PM |
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| Grey, the 110gr bullet has about 2,000fps velocity. Not much energy there for large game. It should be plenty good for varmint control at closer ranges.
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Posted: 1 March 2006 06:08 PM |
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| Ok guys I need an education here. What was the original intention of the 30M1 carbine? A battle rifle? If so did it work as intended? Ive seen some 30 carbine rounds and must confess that it looked totally foriegn to me and I couldnt imagine it being used to kill anything larger than a Bobcat. Please if someone would enlighten me. Thanks Jimmy
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bea175
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Posted: 1 March 2006 07:23 PM |
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| It was supposed to be a light weight replacement for the 45 Handgun for truck driver , officers and work crews. The idea was more accuracy than most people could get from the pistol. The 30 MI filled that purpose very well. Some paratrooper units used the MI and M2 which was the full auto version of the little carbine. A lot of dead enemy soldiers can testify to effect of the little carbine round.
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Posted: 1 March 2006 09:19 PM |
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The .30 Carbine was intended as a substitute for the 1911 for those with crew served weapons, rear area troops and the like. Most veterans I've spoken with loved the way the little guy carried and stowed. Those who used it in combat were not quite as impressed.
BTW, the .30 carbine round is based on one of Winchester's earliest cartridges intended for semi-auto rifles, the .32 Winchester Self Loading. Reduce the bullet diameter a bit, loose the semi rim, and boost pressures somewhat. Very similar cartridge.
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Posted: 1 March 2006 09:20 PM |
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| Thank you bea175 I really appreciate it as I have been carrying that curosity for years. Again thanks It just goes to show ya are never to old to learn. Jimmy
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Posted: 1 March 2006 09:55 PM |
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| Now my interest is peaked, are there very many of those carbines around? Where could one find em? Should I get lucky and find one what would be a fair price? Thanks again for putting up with all my questions. Jimmy
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Posted: 1 March 2006 11:42 PM |
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I don't have one but i have been eyeing them i have seen them running between $400 to $1,000 for one but there are so many different manufacturers I'm not sure which one was used in war and is a real vet or its a copy. The real problem is i seen a ww2 vet trying to sell one at a gun show for $900 when the ones on the guys table were market $750. I don't know the american made stuff is so expensive over the european stuff that fought in the same war and battles too.
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Posted: 2 March 2006 02:56 AM |
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| Thanks BigBill $400 I could handle but not much more. I'll have to look around see if I can find any near here.
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Posted: 2 March 2006 12:47 PM |
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Like any other US military weapon, M-1 carbines have appreciated in value considerably in the last ten years. I see GM (Inland) made carbines here going for $450 to $550 at the shows. Other makers go up from there. Everybody wants Rockolas and Winchesters, and they are way up there.
You do see the Iver Johnson and other knockoffs for less, but their reputation is very spotty as far as reliabilty goes. Besides, they're not military and not really collectable.
I've never been a huge fan of the carbine, shot quite a few of them, but have never owned one.
I do have an almost complete parts kit in my shop. that I got in trade. Everything but the receiver and wood. If I ever find a receiver at a good price, or a beater needing restoration, I might build it up.
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Posted: 2 March 2006 05:22 PM |
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| Thanks Charley, I figure I wont be able to afford one should I find one but the rifle had definately got my interest. Jimmy
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Posted: 3 March 2006 12:30 PM |
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I don't have an M-1, but I have a .30 Carbine Ruger Blackhawk. This thing is a blast to shoot, and is quite accurate. It sure is LOUD! I can pick up PMC ammo for around $10.00 a box around here, so it's not that expensive to shoot. After I get enough empty brass, I'll most likely get some dies and reload for it. Nice little round. Good velocity and almost no recoil. Knocks the hell out of water filled pop cans at 50 yards! Bill T.
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Posted: 9 April 2006 07:51 PM |
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| I used to shoot mine just for plinking about 15 years ago. Since then I have acquired other guns and this one kind of got pushed to the back. When I was a kid, one of my friend's dad used to use the M1 Carbine for sheep hunting. It was light and he could pack it easily. The cartridges didn't take up as much room either. Not sure if he took it because it was such a great sheep hunting gun or because his other gun was Garand.
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Posted: 9 April 2006 09:27 PM |
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Shot one while BSing at the range. It too was a rock-ola. Man, was that little carbine fun to shoot. Kinda like a 10/22 that shot really mild .357 mag!!!!
It was in incredible shape. I would have believed it came off the assembly line yesterday, except the craftsmanship is certainly much better than one made these days.
They still make 'em under liscense, but be prepared for some sticker shock.
I guess they developed a bad reputation because people were expecting them to be effective at stopping a victor charlie at 110 yards with full winter clothes on. They were designed to be a slight upgrade over the pistol and that's what they were.
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Posted: 10 April 2006 02:34 AM |
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I love mine. I shoot it when I want to do some fun plinking, varmint control, or when I am introducing a fairly green shooter. Most of the prices around here go for around 400 for a shooter and up to 1500 for a numbered collector. They are alot like 10/22 on steroids and I have a blast with em. The mags are cheap the ammo is fairly cheap and if you reload em it gets down to almost the cost of 223 ammo. They work pretty much like the Garand so if you can strip and clean the Garand you can clean the carbine.
I use mine for a step up from a 22 rifle for new shooters. It let's them shoot somthing that looks "bigger" but doesn't have much of a recoil. I think that lets them concentrate on the fun they are having as well as sight picture without getting the bejebbies knocked out of them.
I would rate it as a Must Buy; sorta like the Garand.
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Posted: 10 April 2006 04:27 AM |
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Dad and I shoot his every now and again, damn thing shoots good, and is fun too.
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Posted: 14 September 2006 05:04 PM |
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A carbine was my first center fire rifle. Several posts above describe it and its mission well, so I will forego repeating that.
When I was still too young to drive (had a friend and a cousin that were old enough so I got to go out and shoot occasionally). I would cast up lyman 130 gr #2 alloy slugs by the thousand (we got brass from the military range) and we would go to a couple of places that had big gullies on them and set up reactive targets (AKA as tin cans) and take turns negotiating these. I magine my surprise when later I paid a lot of money to get to go through the Donga at Gunsite - heck I had done that when I was 13 or 14!
Shot quite a few woodchucks with the carbine (never more than 125 yards though). The 130 cast, and 110 ball did not do so hot. Speer 110gr varminters were definitely death on woodchucks.
Most of the factory JSPs dont expand too well. The Winchester 110 JSHP seems to work though. Also Cor-Bon has a DPX load. Now that makes the carbine a new and interesting tool!
I have 4 or 5 of the things, including my first one, all are Inlands except for a Winchester someone gave me that is first year production. My oldest one now has an Ultimak rail and I alternate between an Aimpoint and a 2-7 Weaver scope on it.
Not that it is my first choice for anything these days but I sort of like them. With the advent of the DPX it might make a great L.E. patrol carbine.
It was never a battle rifle and never meant to be. But folks like Audie Murphy and LTC John George sure sang their praises in combat (also a lot of others had bad experiences with them to be fair).
Press on,
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