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Big 5 Sporting Goods have the Steyr 95 straight pull for $99. I know the ammo is scarce and the clips it needs to make it a repeater are hard to find but they look like they would be fun to shoot.
Graf's is selling new boxer primed brass and Hornady makes .330 diameter bullets for them so ammunition doesn't sound like a problem.
What do you guys think?
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Buy one...or two. Great little carbines, typical Steyr quality. Brass is available, and in a pinch you can form 7.62x54R to 8x56R. nexk will be short, but it will work. As you saw, Hornady has .330 diameter bullets, and Lee has a .330 mold.
Clips are not that scarce, you can find them at most gunshows and several online dealers.
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Charley I have a couple questions for you. I'm 59, will I be able to see the rear sight?
Is there room to mount a reciever sight on the rear bridge if there is a rear bridge?
Can the action be manipulated quickly as in rapid fire easily?
What kind of accuracy do you get from it with your handloads?
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Charley I have a couple questions for you. I'm 59, will I be able to see the rear sight?
I dunno...I'm 52, and can see it ok. As you can see by the picture, it is mounted fairly far forward. that seems to help MY sight picture, even though it shortens the sight radius.
Is there room to mount a reciever sight on the rear bridge if there is a rear bridge?
Mannlicher action, no bridge. I suppose it could be done, given enough money/shop time.
Can the action be manipulated quickly as in rapid fire easily?
Yep, the straight pull is pretty fast, once you get used to it.
What kind of accuracy do you get from it with your handloads?
Military ball runs about 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards. Sights are BB gun coarse, and recoil in the little carbine is...well, substantial. My JSP loads with .338 bullets sized down run about the same as military ball. Cast bullets will do about 1 to 11/2 inches at 50 yards. No tack driver, but ok for small stuff and plinking.
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Thanks Charley, I appreciate the information. I think I'll buy one.
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nice little rifles, haven't shot one though.
My roommate collects WWII rifles(thats how we met, he bought my no1. MKIII enfield)
He just puchased a steyr, he's going to go pick it up saturday, I should be shooting it sunday
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A friend, who has a C&R license, has about 15-20 of them, the barrels are all over the place, the ones made under Nazi occupation are the worst.
.329 to .335, with some having 3 or 4 diameters in the same barrel.
He made a scout scope mount for one and has selected the best barrel and is getting pretty good results.
He is more impressed with the ammo than the rifles, the surplus ammo has the smallest velocity deviation of any he has tested, some 10 shot strings having a range of only 8-10 fps, high to low.
I made him a set of tools to convert Berdan primed cases to Boxer and he can get several reloads from a surplus case, but he did get some from Graf when they got in the latest batch of brass.
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None were produced under "Nazi" occupation. They were almost all converted from M-95 rifles left over from the first world war, and originaly used by the Austrio-Hungarian Empire. Original chambering was 8x50R, with .323-.325 (depending on your source) diameter bullets. The flat based bullets obturated on firing to fill the rifleing groved, at least in theory. The 8x56 was loaded with a 205 grain boattail, and would not upset like flat based bullets. Thus the change in bullet diameter.
Some of the carbines do show German acceptance marks, but all were converted during the 1920s and 1930s. In fact, many were converted to 8x57 (M95/24), doing away with the Mannlicher system entirely, and converting to Mauser's charger loading, internal magazine design. It was similar to the conversion done to German Gew88s that became the G88/05 and G88/14.
Much of the ammunition imported into the US was produced by Hirtenberger, an old time Austrian company. Much of that WAS produced under German occupation, and had an "Eagle and Swastika" the headstamp. According to some, this was one of the first uses of non-corrosive primers in military ammunition. Before someone ruins a rifle testing this, I have NOT checked this story out, and treat ALL surplus 8x56R ammuniton as corrosive.
I've seen berdan primed cases converted to battery cup shotgun primers, using a #4 drill/countersink. These are suitable for low pressure cast bullet type loads only. Buffalo arms produced 8x56R cases from RP .45/70 cases that worked well, but with Graf's there is no need to buy converted cases.
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I made some shotgun primer conversions, used a #4 center drill, not a countersink, quite a difference in angles, but I also made a tool set to convert to boxer primer.
A piloted drill to open the central flash hole and remove the Berdan anvil, a punch to flatten the base of the primer pocket and a swadgeing punch to reduce the diameter of the primer pocket to accept large rifle primers, works fine for 8-12 reloads, then need to re swadge the primer pocket.
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I was half asleep, I guess. I meant a #4 centerdrill, don't know how a countersink got invoolved!
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Charley wrote: Buy one...or two. Great little carbines, typical Steyr quality. Brass is available, and in a pinch you can form 7.62x54R to 8x56R. nexk will be short, but it will work. As you saw, Hornady has .330 diameter bullets, and Lee has a .330 mold.
Clips are not that scarce, you can find them at most gunshows and several online dealers.
Old Western Scrounger has charger clips at $2.50 each, and only $2.50 more for shipping up to six of them.Last edited on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 12:53 AM by gandog56
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Yep,
I saw this thread, went out to the garage, took a Winchester 7.62x54R case (Russian), installed a primer, 3.5 grains of Bullseye, topped it off with cornmeal and packed the neck with wax. Loaded this round in my Styre carbine and fired it into a bucket filled with rags--whalla--a perfect Austrian fireformed case. Now all I have to do is get the dies and bullets. I have a lot of military ammo, but this round does kick!
Oh, the rear of the reciever is solid.
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Doesn't Priv-Partizan offer new 8x56 ammo? Does Grafs offer this brass too?
I have one 95 but i'm thinking about getting another. I still have a case of the nazi 8x56 ammo too. I think sportsmans guide still offers it. Someone had the berdan primers so we can reuse the military brass too.
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Two nigths ago my shipment came in. Three of these little rascals. One for me and then one each for son and son-in-law as Christmas presents this coming year. I spent part of last evening de-cruding them. Talk about cosmoline overload. But in reality that's a good thing. Very nice little carbines, well enough balanced, and in very good to excellent condition. I had ordered some Hornady ammo through Sportsmansguide about a month ago and it's nice enough. It looks suspiciously like Hungarian surplus brass with a premimum bullet. It's is just screaming to be fired. I ordered some of the brass from Graf's last week and it should be showing up within a day or so. I had picked up dies a day after ordering the rifle. I already had a bullet mold. So I getting real close to taking mine out to the range in the backyard and testing it.
I reckon I won't really know how accurate they are until I'm able to work up a good reload. But until then it's something new to mess with and keep me off the street corners...
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Old Fart I don't know how old you are but with my 61 year old eyes I can see the front sight but the rear sight is invisible. I like my little carbine but I am going to have to mount some sort of receiver sight on it.
I ordered 500 of the Lebel (330 diameter) revolver bullets from Grafs. The problem with them is it is hard to get the velocity under 1200 so they will stay together.
I just received my Lee bullet mold for this round yesterday. I am going to fire up the furnace soon since I also received a 30 cal mold, a 45 mold and a 50 cal muzzle loader mold.
Lead will be flying soon.
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72 Coupe,
I understand what you're saying about the site radius. For me it's just being able to hit a paper plate at a distance. I haven't worried about fration of a minute in years. Now my son and son-in-law will be looking for better accuracy. That's where the fun comes in for me. Working up loads with them.
Aint life grand. You finally get to where you know something and you're too dang old to use it....
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True true true.....
I've been feeling that cold front blowing in for a couple days. I used to think the old farts were full of it when they said they could feel weather coming our way. I need to go find them and apologize.
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Charley, over the years I have picked up 95 reloadable 7.62X54 Russian once fired cases. I have decided to fire form them to 8X56R Hungarian. One problem I have encountered is that the Russian cases will not function through the clips.
The next question I have is have you had any problem with the short necks. My fire formed cases are 0.033 short. The 8X56R has the shortest neck of anything I have reloaded for so far. Have you had any problem loading these short neck cases?
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