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Posted: 5 November 2006 07:33 PM |
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Big 5 Sporting Goods have the Steyr 95 straight pull for $99. I know the ammo is scarce and the clips it needs to make it a repeater are hard to find but they look like they would be fun to shoot.
Graf's is selling new boxer primed brass and Hornady makes .330 diameter bullets for them so ammunition doesn't sound like a problem.
What do you guys think?
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Charley
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Posted: 5 November 2006 11:02 PM |
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Buy one...or two. Great little carbines, typical Steyr quality. Brass is available, and in a pinch you can form 7.62x54R to 8x56R. nexk will be short, but it will work. As you saw, Hornady has .330 diameter bullets, and Lee has a .330 mold.
Clips are not that scarce, you can find them at most gunshows and several online dealers.
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Posted: 5 November 2006 11:03 PM |
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Ammo.
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72coupe
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Posted: 6 November 2006 11:46 PM |
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Charley I have a couple questions for you. I'm 59, will I be able to see the rear sight?
Is there room to mount a reciever sight on the rear bridge if there is a rear bridge?
Can the action be manipulated quickly as in rapid fire easily?
What kind of accuracy do you get from it with your handloads?
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Posted: 7 November 2006 12:49 PM |
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Charley I have a couple questions for you. I'm 59, will I be able to see the rear sight?
I dunno...I'm 52, and can see it ok. As you can see by the picture, it is mounted fairly far forward. that seems to help MY sight picture, even though it shortens the sight radius.
Is there room to mount a reciever sight on the rear bridge if there is a rear bridge?
Mannlicher action, no bridge. I suppose it could be done, given enough money/shop time.
Can the action be manipulated quickly as in rapid fire easily?
Yep, the straight pull is pretty fast, once you get used to it.
What kind of accuracy do you get from it with your handloads?
Military ball runs about 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards. Sights are BB gun coarse, and recoil in the little carbine is...well, substantial. My JSP loads with .338 bullets sized down run about the same as military ball. Cast bullets will do about 1 to 11/2 inches at 50 yards. No tack driver, but ok for small stuff and plinking.
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Posted: 7 November 2006 01:42 PM |
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| Thanks Charley, I appreciate the information. I think I'll buy one.
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Posted: 8 November 2006 09:34 PM |
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nice little rifles, haven't shot one though.
My roommate collects WWII rifles(thats how we met, he bought my no1. MKIII enfield)
He just puchased a steyr, he's going to go pick it up saturday, I should be shooting it sunday
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Posted: 9 November 2006 03:12 AM |
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A friend, who has a C&R license, has about 15-20 of them, the barrels are all over the place, the ones made under Nazi occupation are the worst.
.329 to .335, with some having 3 or 4 diameters in the same barrel.
He made a scout scope mount for one and has selected the best barrel and is getting pretty good results.
He is more impressed with the ammo than the rifles, the surplus ammo has the smallest velocity deviation of any he has tested, some 10 shot strings having a range of only 8-10 fps, high to low.
I made him a set of tools to convert Berdan primed cases to Boxer and he can get several reloads from a surplus case, but he did get some from Graf when they got in the latest batch of brass.
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Posted: 9 November 2006 03:57 AM |
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None were produced under "Nazi" occupation. They were almost all converted from M-95 rifles left over from the first world war, and originaly used by the Austrio-Hungarian Empire. Original chambering was 8x50R, with .323-.325 (depending on your source) diameter bullets. The flat based bullets obturated on firing to fill the rifleing groved, at least in theory. The 8x56 was loaded with a 205 grain boattail, and would not upset like flat based bullets. Thus the change in bullet diameter.
Some of the carbines do show German acceptance marks, but all were converted during the 1920s and 1930s. In fact, many were converted to 8x57 (M95/24), doing away with the Mannlicher system entirely, and converting to Mauser's charger loading, internal magazine design. It was similar to the conversion done to German Gew88s that became the G88/05 and G88/14.
Much of the ammunition imported into the US was produced by Hirtenberger, an old time Austrian company. Much of that WAS produced under German occupation, and had an "Eagle and Swastika" the headstamp. According to some, this was one of the first uses of non-corrosive primers in military ammunition. Before someone ruins a rifle testing this, I have NOT checked this story out, and treat ALL surplus 8x56R ammuniton as corrosive.
I've seen berdan primed cases converted to battery cup shotgun primers, using a #4 drill/countersink. These are suitable for low pressure cast bullet type loads only. Buffalo arms produced 8x56R cases from RP .45/70 cases that worked well, but with Graf's there is no need to buy converted cases.
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Posted: 9 November 2006 04:48 AM |
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I made some shotgun primer conversions, used a #4 center drill, not a countersink, quite a difference in angles, but I also made a tool set to convert to boxer primer.
A piloted drill to open the central flash hole and remove the Berdan anvil, a punch to flatten the base of the primer pocket and a swadgeing punch to reduce the diameter of the primer pocket to accept large rifle primers, works fine for 8-12 reloads, then need to re swadge the primer pocket.
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Posted: 9 November 2006 12:25 PM |
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| I was half asleep, I guess. I meant a #4 centerdrill, don't know how a countersink got invoolved!
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Posted: 8 June 2008 01:52 AM |
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Charley wrote: Buy one...or two. Great little carbines, typical Steyr quality. Brass is available, and in a pinch you can form 7.62x54R to 8x56R. nexk will be short, but it will work. As you saw, Hornady has .330 diameter bullets, and Lee has a .330 mold.
Clips are not that scarce, you can find them at most gunshows and several online dealers.
Old Western Scrounger has charger clips at $2.50 each, and only $2.50 more for shipping up to six of them.Last edited on 8 June 2008 01:53 AM by gandog56
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