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DesertMarine
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Posted: 21 November 2008 01:24 PM |
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From my input of 19 November: "I inherited a M96, barrel not too great. Shot it the other day at 500 yds using reloads. PMC cases, Winchester LR primer, 38 gr IMR 4064, 140 Gr Sierra Spitzer, OAL 3.050" with cases trimmed to 2.155". Hit a 3" gong with the first shot with iron sights. Had a friend with me who confirmed the shot."
The gong is 3' diameter vs 3". Would love to shoot that good and have a rifle capable of doing it.
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BigBill
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Posted: 22 November 2008 02:00 AM |
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| I think that http://www.samcoglobal.com had 6,5mm M96 swede barrels at onetime but i haven't looked lately. Even a good used barrel will go right in with the headspace good. I just did it with an 8mm mauser barrel. Since the tolarences are held pretty tight when they machine it the barrels are very close to each other and the headspace should be ok. Last edited on 22 November 2008 02:04 AM by BigBill
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DesertMarine
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Posted: 22 November 2008 04:58 AM |
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| I looked at SAMCO today. They have some Swede sniper rifles and I believe some barreled actions.
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Posted: 9 December 2008 01:18 AM |
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I did purchase some swede barreled actions a few years back and got the stocks with the metal from numrich gun parts and assembled the mausers. This was a time when none were to be found. At least the bolt numbers, trigger guard, mag door numbers all matched. Most of the swede rifles i have seen the numbers weren't all matching anyway. Finding an all matching numbered swede rifle it rare but i still stay looking.
The swiss K31 is suppose to be another good accurate rifle too. The swiss GP11 ammo is of match grade quality too. 
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Archangele
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Posted: 25 December 2008 09:52 PM |
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Hi,
I have two Swedish Mausers chambered in the original 6.5x55. Personally, I like the 6.5mm caliber. I also shoot the type 38 Arisaka and the .260 Remington. The 6.5X55 is an excellent round. Very accurate. But don't expect to find a Swedish Mauser in good to excellent condition for under $400.00 anymore. You will hear the war stories of how they were going for $50.00 or some other ultra low price. Yes, that may have been true when cars still had tail fins. But, today, the prices are much higher. I too live in North Florida, and although I saw a couple Swedes in the gun shows in Lake City and Ocala, the prices were around $600 or so and they were not as nice as the ones I have. I bought my 1908 Carl Gustafs, which is a long rifle version, and has a nice barrel with sharp rifling and a very clean bore for just under $300.00 at a local gun store three years ago. The "Swede" is an easy caliber to reload for. It seems to work well with bullets from 107 gr upt o 140 gr. I have been using slow powders like IMR 4831. In fact I use the same powder charge in my Swede that I use in my .260 Remington cartridges. That's how similar they are in performance. You can't go wrong with a Swedish Mauser and the 6.5x55 cartridge. You can also occasionally find Norwegian Krags which are chambered in the 6.5x55. The Krag in this caliber is a real nice rifle. Ultra smooth action just like the Springfield 30-40 Krags.
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6.5.shooter
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Posted: 26 December 2008 04:32 PM |
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Hi All,
I have several Swede M96 rifles. I love this round I am a 6.5 cal nut shooter!!The 260 Rem and the 6.5X55 are close in ballistics.I like takeing the old Swedes out to the range and shooting them out 500 to 600 yard steel "gongs" with iron sites.This round has little recoil and is very accurate when i do my part!!!! shooter
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Archangele
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Posted: 27 December 2008 01:54 AM |
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6.5.shooter wrote: Hi All,
I have several Swede M96 rifles. I love this round I am a 6.5 cal nut shooter!!The 260 Rem and the 6.5X55 are close in ballistics.I like takeing the old Swedes out to the range and shooting them out 500 to 600 yard steel "gongs" with iron sites.This round has little recoil and is very accurate when i do my part!!!! shooter
Hi Shooter,
Man, you have my kind of taste in cartridges. You don't shoot 6.5 Jap in an Arisaka do you? Anyway, I picked up an all original 1908 Swede and when I first shot it I was struck by the mild recoil and very good accuracy. The battle sight on these rifles has a lowest setting of 300 yards, which requires a bit of getting used to so as to not shoot a head high at 100 and 200 yards. But, my initial groups, although high, were very small. Much smaller then with any other iron sighted rifle with the exception of my Persian Mauser. (I LOVE that Persian Mauser! Brno rules!) Do you handload the 6.5x55? What is your pet load? I've been using the exact same load as in my .260 of 44 gr of IMR 4831 behind a 140 gr Sierra HPBT Match. I also have a sporterized Husquevarna but, it does not shoot this load as well. This rifle is a shorter barrel version and I noticed it favors 120 gr bullets and lighter. I am still working on that one. Someone put on a Timminey (sp?) trigger which is horrible. Either it adjusts that the rifle fires as soon as you close the bolt, or it won't let you pull the bolt back without holding the trigger. It has a scope on it and I have planted under 1" groups at 100 yards with it. It's a work in progress. I would never have sporterized it myself, but since it was already done, I figured why not make it right and go all the way. I think the issue with that gun is that with the short barrel, it can not properly stabilize the 140 gr bullet for maximum accuracy. I ran into this in a carbine length rifle once before. Drove myself nuts trying to work up a load only to find that going to a lighter bullet turned a dog into a tack driver. Do you know if there is some difference between the Husquevarna and Carl Gustafs Swedes that one should consider when reloading for the two versions of the Swedish Mauser? I'm wondering if the twist rate for the barrels might be different.
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DesertMarine
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Posted: 30 December 2008 01:13 AM |
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I thought my 6.5x55 was a 96 but after looking at several sites think I have a 96/38. The receiver is marked Carl Gustav with a date of 1915. The barrel is marked, CAI ST Alb. VT (who I guess is the importer) and M38 Sweden 6.5x55 and is around 23" long. Receiver, bolt and butt plate are marked alike. Muzzle is threaded.
The rear sight is different from others that I have seen online. It is marked "Metallverken Vasteras sv patent 90944. Hope someone can identify it.
Could not get my camera to focus as close as I needed. Hope I did the browse right to get all pictures in.
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Posted: 30 December 2008 01:19 AM |
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BigBill
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Posted: 30 December 2008 01:38 AM |
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I heard a story once from an internet dealer who said back then when there was no 6,5mm ammo available for these rifles they were selling them for $20 and couldn't give them away too. When the ammo finally became available the rest is history right? At around the sametime SOG had the unissued French MAS Commando 49/56 Rifles in 7.5 mm french that were refurbished in '92 still NIB for $189. I managed to get two when the ammo became available before the supply ran out. Samco still has the barreled M96 receivers (fair condition) for $169 and Numrich gun parts has the stocks with the metal for $52 the last time i looked. I did assemble some of my swede mausers from these parts(2). But the receiver numbers do match the bolts and trigger housing/foreplate. I have a complete swede m96 stock with the metal and handguard sitting here. All i need is another barreled action.
I guess that most of us got into the C&R stuff at the right time because the prices won't be cheap for too much longer.
While shooting my very first swede 1907 CG M96 mauser using new Sellier & Bellot 139gr ammo benchrested I was shooting around 1 1/2" groups. When a guy walked over to me and asked what gun was i shooting these groups with. I guess during a target change "they" saw my groups and my gun with no scope. Then he said they are a SWAT team and some of there scoped rifles don't shoot that good. I told him its a 100yo swede mauser. He just shook his head with disbelief and walked away. I have a few swede mausers but its always the 1907 that goes to the range with me. I guess i should have a swede day and shoot the others too.
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Posted: 30 December 2008 05:08 PM |
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Hi Arch,
I dont have any 6.5 jap guns.My favorite 1904 m96 Swede all orignal all numbers matching.I took it out the wood stock to put it in a syn stock reason i did that is to not to put any more dings and scratches in the wood stock!!The iron sites takes little to get use to. Starting from 300 meters to 2000 meters! My pet load for shooting at 100yds with my 1904 is
6.5x55
IMR-4064 39.0grs
Sierra-100gr HP
Rem 91/2 primers
Win brass
Around 2825fps
This load works great in my 1904 Swede at 100yds on 6'' ''gongs'' I got to aim at bottom of gong!!
The shorter barrel Swedes I have not shot any myself mine all 29.5'' barrels with 1-7.5 twist
My gues on your short barrel Swede from 29.5'' cut to a shorter length will change twist rate to stablelize the heavy bullets?
My 18.5'' 1-7.5 twist barrel ar-260 will handle bullets up to 160grShooter
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Posted: 30 December 2008 11:42 PM |
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My gues on your short barrel Swede from 29.5'' cut to a shorter length will change twist rate to stablelize the heavy bullets?
My 18.5'' 1-7.5 twist barrel ar-260 will handle bullets up to 160grShooter
Hi, My old Swede is a 1908 Carl Gustafs with all matching numbers. Acording to it's metal disk, it was from a mountain division. It has the older style metal disk which only shows the gun number, regiment and such. No record of what was done in an armory like the newer disks which show barrel condition and such. It has a straight bolt handle and all matching numbers. The barrel is shiny and the rifling is really good. Every piece is numbered and even the magazine follower has a small crown symbol stamped on it. on the under side of the barrel, about 2" from the end, there is an importer mark from Miami Florida. This one shoots around 6" high at 100 yards and with iron sights, will plant 10 rounds in 4". The limiting factor here is the condition of my eyes. My .260 is a Savage model 10 Tactical. It has planted 1.5" groups at 600 yards. But most of the times, I get around 4" groups at that range. I have been told that I might do better if I were to move to bench rest primers, But I believe the limiting factor is the gun. I don't think the stock Savage is going to do much better. The only ones at the range who best that rifle are the dedicated bench rest guys who shoot custom built rifles with high end barrels. That's kind of out of my price range. The 6.5mm seems to be a real accurate caliber. The next step seems to be .338. I've seen some .338 Lapua and .338 Remington Ultra Mags shot some real tight groups at over 500 yards. I'm just not into the shoulder abuse of those babies. They are not bad for around 10 rounds, but shoot around 80 in a morning and things begin to ache.
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