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johndefresno
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Posted: 6 August 2008 04:41 AM |
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Hi, all -
Does anybody have recommendation of Overall length for handloading a 147 gr. Winchester FMJ Boattail bullet in the good ol' M1 Garand .30-06?
It's not like the bullet is hard to find; but I've looked high and low, consulted various manuals, visited several load sites, checked the CMP site - and can't find a specific COAL - I'm stuck on guessing between 3.2 something and Max of 3.340 inches!
Any help is appreciated.
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wheezengeezer
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Posted: 6 August 2008 12:37 PM |
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| the military spec for M72 match is 3.34 oal
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72coupe
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Posted: 6 August 2008 01:56 PM |
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| Just load it to the cannelure. If you load it 3.34 there will not be much of the bullet in the case.
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Posted: 6 August 2008 02:10 PM |
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| I do one of two things. Seat bullet with at least one bullet diamter of neck engagment and make sure they will fit into magazine well in the clip
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johndefresno
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Posted: 6 August 2008 05:23 PM |
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Great!
Wheezengeezer, you are right on as always (military spec bullets);
Saddlesore, I'll remember your one bullet diameter technique for unknown, non-cannelured bullets! In fact, I'm putting these posts into a pdf file for my archives on the M1 Garand.
72coupe - the cannelure crimp makes sense - just like other rifle rounds. I just was not sure with these rounds in a GI-isssue Garand, with all the talk about its limitations versus a bolt-action.
As I get up from the keyboard, I'll be reloading a batch today for tomorrow's big event.
Iit's the first time this year that I can spend a whole day at the range - and I have a couple of sacks of this bullet. We can't fire military (magnetically active) bullets, so I would otherwise have not been allowed to take my M1, never yet fired at distances over 20 yards!
Sincere thanks for the quick and authoritative answers - now I can have a fun day.
Last edited on 6 August 2008 05:25 PM by johndefresno
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Posted: 6 August 2008 05:40 PM |
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I think you will find that the M1 is not sensitive to bullet length as long as it is shorter than 3.34. They are not very sensitive to charge weight either. I have shot charge weights of 4895 powder from a maximum of 50 grains to as little as 30 grains and my old war horse runs 100%.
In my opinion there is nothing more fun to shoot than an M1.
If you are a tinkerer, there are good instructions for doing a do it yourself trigger job at nationalmatch.us.
Be careful. Have fun.
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johndefresno
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Posted: 7 August 2008 12:49 AM |
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Well, I loaded to the middle of the crimp using new Winchester brass and the aforementioned Winchester 147 gr. FMJ BT. Would you believe a scarce 2.290" ? That was quite a surprise.
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Posted: 7 August 2008 01:49 AM |
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| That sounds pretty short since the trim to length on a 30/06 case is 2.484.
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johndefresno
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Posted: 7 August 2008 02:18 AM |
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72coupe wrote: That sounds pretty short since the trim to length on a 30/06 case is 2.484. Thanks - er... 3.290!
The scales don't lie, but the keyboard sometimes gets in the way. Shoulda' checked my typing - or "typoing"!
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Posted: 7 August 2008 04:05 AM |
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| Forgive me. I was just being a smart a$$ again. I do have that problem.
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johndefresno
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Posted: 7 August 2008 04:11 AM |
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72coupe wrote: Forgive me. I was just being a smart a$$ again. I do have that problem. Actually, I laughed and thought it was a good way for steel to sharpen steel, as the saying goes. No offense taken!
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