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When I was in the Army, we practiced with the bayonet on the M14 rifle. Later when the M16 became the standard infantry rifle, we were told that the aluminum receiver could not the stresses and impacts that happened when a solider uses a bayonet, but they issued the bayonet for the M16. I never really had the need to use my bayonet over seas other than looks and a possible defensive situation that never arouse.
Is this really true and is the military still using the bayonet with the M16 family of rifles?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21st, 2009 12:34 AM |
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my nephew told me that when they boarded the plane for Iraq (he's in afghan now) the officers where told to confiscate all the knives and bayonets because they couldn't have them on the plane! now mind you he said they had a full combat load including loaded magazines for their rifles!
wonder what bureacrat thought that up? Marines going to a combat zone can have loaded rifles but can't have knives or bayonets on the airplane!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21st, 2009 02:56 PM |
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You would think they would have hand grenades with them also.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2009 03:03 AM |
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Politicians have been coming up with stupid rules for ever. In 62, I was the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Brigade that went into northern Thailand. They told us that there was a good chance that we would see action, luckily we did not. When going on patrols, we were not supposed to lock and load unless we were fired upon. Being good Marines, we told them to fornicate themselves, locked and loaded when boarded helicopters to go to patrol areas. That was a fun four months.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2009 04:22 AM |
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In my unit, we always keep our rifles and psitols at the ready. When we were doing field exercises we all had at least one magazine of live ammo. Things have changed a lot since those times. In some ways things have gotten safer and other things have lost of their fun.
Lock and Load with R. Lee was pretty good for a new series. The Gunny gets better with time.
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R. Lee cracks me up when he gives the other guys on the show crap. The guy will be setting up a tripod mounted MG and R. Lee will be all, "You dont have any sense of urgency do you!?". It was pretty cool seeing him shoot the Dillion Aereo at that car. Shooting that would put me on cloud 9. 
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There is a good articlei n the newest Blue Press by Dillona bout the M1 that covers bayonets for the M1,M14,andM16 .It talks a little about bayonet fit on some of the service rifles
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Imagine having a DI like Gunny Lee for twelve weeks. No fun, you always lose, go to sand pile for bucket drill.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 6th, 2009 11:01 PM |
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Desert,
When where you in Boot? I have friends from the mid 60s Corps and they said boot was a lesson in suvival training against some of the meanest SOBs in the universe.
But a DI looses all his ability if his recruits are not afraind of him during the first 9 weeks of recruit training.
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I went to boot camp in Aug 1960. Physically, it was not as bad as I thought it was going to be, an I was not the athletic type. Our senior DI stated that he did not believe in hitting recruits but they made up for it in other ways. Especially the sand pile. The sand pile was an area behind our Quonset huts that was sand and we were issued buckets and had to go and fill them with sand and hold them out with arms straight out until allowed to lower, no fun. Or the famous squat thrusts. No cokes, candy or pogey bait for 12 weeks. Phone calls, maybe once a week. No regrets.
Other platoons, physical punishment was common.
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One platoon was walked into the swamps at PI, 7 survived. The DIs were sent to prison for a very long time.
I have heard of many instances of physical abuse that was closer to torture than training. Over the years I have heard a lot Marines that were very undestanding of what their DIs did to them and a few that still hate their guts.
I am glad I was in the army.
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Jerry,
Yes, those DI's screwed up. What I saw in boot camp and have heard from other Marines does not come close to torture. The DI's employed harsh attention getting methods to accomplish their mission, that has always been the Marine way. I wonder about the ones that hate their DI's, as to what type Marines they were. I have found that people that complain that way, not only about the Corps, usually come in with bad attitudes or can't handle it.
All the Marines, I know including me, do not like the kinder, gentler type of boot camp that the Marine Corps has had to go to. With the way warfare has changed, I think we need harder, harsher training rather than what we have today. Our enemies are as hard and cruel or worse than before.
I know only one Marine that does not like to talk Marine talk. That is due to his experiences in Vietnam. Fortunately, I did not go to Vietnam. That is due to the politics of the time.
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As in all cases, you have mostly good with some bad. In my advanced training in the Army, we had a Staff Sergent that brutualized a couple trainees and he was a civilian almost over night.
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So true about the good and the bad. We have had a few that have gone overboard and the Corps got rid of them. Every Marine regardless of MOS goes thru Infantry training. When I went thru, mine we had three instructors who crossed the line. They were reported and they got busted. Unfortunately, they stayed with us and took it out on the guys that reported them, especially during hand to hand combat training. But the instructors lost in the end. I see the need for hard training and discipline but not brutality. Did you see the reports on Spetnaz training?
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Are you talking about the Russian Spec Ops or the Swedish Band? I expect you are talking about the Russians. No I haven't have seen the report on their training. Please enliten me.
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Russian Spec Ops. They had two trainees standing at attention with the instructor jumping up and kicking them in the chest. They had to get up and back into attention. Their training is extremely tough but I bet it weeds out the persons they don't want in Spetnaz. All our elite troops have their own tough type of training that eliminates persons that are not going to make it.
I have SEALs train, it is tough. Marine Recon and Marine Force Recon, no slouches either.
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I saw the S. Korean Army in training and in action. These were tough little guys, their NCO beat the $h!t out of them for anything.
During my tenure, I lived thru a lot of training mostly with the 75th Infantry. I went to advance airborne school with several Marine, good guys, all of them.
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While in Korea for cold weather training, we trained along side Korean Marines. Tough and brutal, glad they were on our side. I was happy I was US Marine, we were softies compared to them. The Marine Corps is different outside boot camp. While discipline was strict, nothing like boot camp.
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When I went through Scout OSUT..OVER 30 PERCENT of all those in the school washed out..PT duds-MARKSMANSHIP-mental breakdown types and pussies..were gone quick.
The world of Recon is a whole different Army..They tolerate no wussies,no one who cant handle days in the cold,the heat or cant function in small units or alone to accomplish a mission.
If you are told to hump 15 clicks a night then set up an OP in -32 degree weather,you do it and you stay there hidden as long as you are told to..If you have to hump 80 plus pounds in 100 plus degree weather..You do it.
You have to have the balls to go in first,close with and be "Silent Death"..you bring to bear every means of horrendous death upon your enemy and have no remorse,no compassion,no mercy and face the fact that every moment you are in combat,you are far from any help,you are amongst the enemy and you are Death walking...
A different breed of soldier...
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If you cant, perhaps the REMF mos`s are looking for volunteers...
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TG,
After all of my training, I did what I was told, when I was told and for as long as I was told. I ate rice balls with fish instead of C rats, I did not resemble a U.S. Army soldier when I returned from the field. This was all a part of the job they gave me. Fire teams up thru platoon size units functioned well, single man missions I can say, most "never happened".
Those people at fire bases didn't know how good they really had it.
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