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Since primers are as scarce as an honest politician in our parts I was at the local Wal-mart today and looked at a box of remington .223 fmj ammo. The case necks looked like they had a torch held to them. They were marked with rainbow swirling like an oil puddle in a parking lot. Since ammo got "scarce", is remington stretching a different case out for the .223? The unprimed brass from remington I have doesn't have the same marking.
Just wondering if anybody else has seen it. I'd kinda be afraid to try and reload the brass.
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Hillbilly wrote: Since primers are as scarce as an honest politician in our parts I was at the local Wal-mart today and looked at a box of remington .223 fmj ammo. The case necks looked like they had a torch held to them. They were marked with rainbow swirling like an oil puddle in a parking lot. Since ammo got "scarce", is remington stretching a different case out for the .223? The unprimed brass from remington I have doesn't have the same marking.
Just wondering if anybody else has seen it. I'd kinda be afraid to try and reload the brass.
Maybe they're cutting costs by not polishing the last anneal marks off the brass...
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That is from annealing the necks to make them softer. No problem.
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Thanks, guys.
Ahhh...so will the necks being softer due to the annealing cause them to "fold up" when seating a bullet? Or will it make them last a couple more reloads than un-annealed brass?
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Hillbilly wrote: Thanks, guys.
Ahhh...so will the necks being softer due to the annealing cause them to "fold up" when seating a bullet? Or will it make them last a couple more reloads than un-annealed brass?
The final "draw" in the manufacture of the case has to be annealed to remove the brittleness caused by working the brass. The factories usually remove this discoloration for "eye appeal". Makes no difference in the final strength of the case weather or not it's polished..
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If the final annealing process is not done, lots of cartridges would have cracks, tears and breaks during the first use of that cartridge. These flaws would allow gas to escape during the firing cycle and damage to the weapon and the shooter could happen.
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remington has often not polished away the anneal marks tho usually it isnt quite as prominent as alot of mil-spec , in this case i believe what u seen was both lolz ,the only problem with it is quite often ( especially with mil-spec) one has to watch out for crimped primers and remove the crimp ring prior to reloading,usually remington's leave the factory with a pinkish tinge to the neck area from the annealing ,their mil-spec still looks fresh from the torch
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annealing is a good thing for sure nothing to be afraid of. I stand my cases when i do anneal them in a pan of water and heat them with a propane torch. Any one have a better way? The propane works but it takes awhile for it to get casings hot and quite a spell to do a lot of them, course im used to acetylene shop torches lol so propane i came to hate along time ago. Tempted to try a acetyline shop torch though with a small tip like brazing tip any one tried this is it to hot? Or would it work? Any suggestions?
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Big rosebud tip, not a small, intense tip on Acetyline.
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I bought a 100 ct bag of brass for .17 Remington that has that annealing. I had no idea what it was, so I put it in my reloading drawer where I keep all my brass.
By the way, I thought that I had ordered 17 Fireball brass and ended up with the 17 Rem. My bad. When I put that 17 Rem in the 17 Fireball die, you guessed it, It crushed it. There's 99 brand new unfired brass for a 17 Rem that I'm willing to let go for $30. and you pay shipping, and if you want it insured. I got this for something like $42 at Midway if I remember right. I'll go back to their website and see what I gave for it and deal from there. It's priced to sell cause I have no use for it. but at the same time, I'm not going to get skinned either. I won't dicker around. What price I have is firm.
I'm open to working a trade unfired Remington Brass for a 17 Fireball, .223, .22-250, .308, or about a box of loaded ammo of 405 grain cowboy bullets for the .45-70 that works in the Springfield Trapdoor. Don't matter if you roll your own for the 45-70, as long as are loaded with new brass.
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Slightly off subject but will save you many dollars on heating/cutting costs. I have used Propane to cut with for many years. All you need to change is the tip only. The guages fit the same and I can cut 4" metal with it. Propane is less than half the cost of Acetelene and is available everywhere. I have a full tank of AC. that has been sitting for six yrs. Propane tips are the same price as AC. tips. wc
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True -6, you only need acetyline for seriously heavy (thick material) work or where you need very intense heat in a small area for speed. Certainly anealing brass would be better served by Oxy-Propane, still WAY plenty hot.
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Most steel i work with is anywheres from a 1/4 to 1 1/2 thick, ive worked for welding shops before that were to cheap to buy acetyline and we prob burned up twice as much propane and wasted as much time in man hours waiting for things to get hot. Me and Propane dont like each other to much. I use the little handheld torches around the house and find they put out very little heat (which is a good thing in the right places) and i dont a have a propane shop torch nor do i own the one that is there which is why i made the post asking. I would like to mass anneal several hundred cases and speed the process somewhat is all. Last edited on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 01:21 AM by
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MontanaShooter wrote:
I would like to mass anneal several hundred cases and speed the process somewhat is all.
here's somethin nifty
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=177
there's others but that ones saved in me fav's
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Thats awesome Fryboy makes my brains sweat schemin up such a device :)
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