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First off Welcome csx.
As far as the 223wssm goes I'm sitting on the fence. I see it's place but I also agree somewhat with Mickey. Csx you have a real job here now. You admit you've got one so now you are going to have to go out and shoot it and give us all a report on it.  My question would be is this to be considered a round for yotes and varmints or P-dogs? I'm thinking given what has been said here it would be for yotes. Anyway I just had to throw my pennys worth in.
Take care Be safe Poacher.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10th, 2006 03:22 PM |
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I also agree with Mickey on this deal. "re inventing the wheel" is a good way to put it. I can't remember if it was Shooting Times or Guns & Ammo, but when they shot a .223 WSSM for evaluation they reported substancial throat erosion after just 250 rounds. Most dedicated varmint shooters can go thru that easily in a weekend on a hot dogtown. While they might be fun to play with, I'll stick to my .223, or .22-250 for a serious "go to" gun in a .22 centerfire. Bill T.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11th, 2006 01:58 AM |
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Csx..I can tell ya from experience,A good 220 Swift is the cats meow.Forget the gunwriters and bs`ers.Clean it,don`t shoot long sessions to get the barrel super hot and you`ve got a bad ass rifle that`ll take care of business...
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12th, 2006 04:10 PM |
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Thanks everyone for the imput in reference to the 223wssm. I went to the range yesterday and shot 20 rounds of factory loads. I shot three shot groups at 100 yards every 20 minutes, and what I found was I would put two in the same hole and then would get a flyer. I am going to start working up my own loads now and have to go buy a chronogragh, but times running out because I only have 230 shots left in the gun before it's junk. I will first work up loads for speed and once that is accomplished I will back that down a grain or so and shoot for accuracy and hope the load is a good one. I have been out of the shooting & reloading for about eight years due to work. So if anyone has a good starting load for this fire breathing dragon please pass it on. Owe Timberghost : I plan on owning a 220 swift soon.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12th, 2006 07:45 PM |
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CSX;
Once you begin an association with Mr. Swift, it tends to be a long-term relationship. When you get your Swift, take the day to break it in right, you'll be glad you did. Don't worry about speed or accuracy, just shoot & clean, shoot & clean. Boring but well worth the effort down the road.
The Swift is capable of outstanding accuracy. The entertainment is frequently more enjoyable by the observer than the shooter though, believe it or not. Until you actually see the spectacular results of a solid body hit on a prairie dog at under 200 yards with a Swift, you won't believe it. The dog body can perform mid-air antics that put any Olympic diver to shame. And then there's the Society Of The Red Mist. Just an expanding globe as the varmint is quite literally vaporized.
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I bought the .223wssm around christmas and love it. I think its like the swift was in the begining. Branded as a barrel burner so everyone got leary of it. It will get HOT QUICK that 3rd shot on a 3 shot group will be a flyer.I let mine cool for 5 min. in between shots and that solved it. The winchester loads are not very good. The 64 gr.bullets wont stabilize and will blow up at around 50yds(shooting at a 100yd target). Its flat though. .5 high @ 100yds,0 @ 200yds,3.5 low @300yds.with a factory 55gr soft point @ $20 for 20. Shot a bobcat @ 225 put a dime sized hole straight through. ballistic tips blow up stuff. factory loaded 55 gr balistic tips are 3850 fps. factory hornady for 220 swift are 3680fps. I havent loaded any yet. Hornadys test was not right. they used a non chrome lined barrel with 40 gr. bullets loaded to 4600 fps and shot one right after the other. that will burn any barrel. loaded within reason a chrome lined barrel will last great for varmint hunting and the soft points dont mess up hides. hornadys 40 gr load in there manual is 4410fps. It seems slightly faster than the swift (with the same gr.bullet)and alot faster than the 22-250. factory loads are cheaper than the swift. but the swift has alot more selection. factory ammo and brass. winchester is the only maker of brass for the wssm. its not very good quality. i have found soome older federal brass but its hard to come by. Overall i love mine and will not be parting with it. I am currently looking at buying a .243 wssm m70 super shadow just like my 223. Only thing i dont like is the magazine will only hold 3. im trying to remedy that now. wish me luck.
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I would dearly love to find a Pre-64 M70 in 220 Swift with it's "burned out barrel".  Years ago, I used to work for a gunsmith and I can think of at least four of those 220s that I restored to very accurate status in less that two hours most of the time.
The rick is they are NOT burned out. Most of the time they're so badly copper fouled that it take quite a while to clean that crap out. We used a 28 % stronger ammonia and JB Bore Pasteto clear the tube. you have to be very careful with that ammonia as if it sits in the barrel too long it will etch the metal. Lots of serious scrubbing with the JB once the ammonia has done its work.
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Gunrunner wrote: Doing a quick check on Hodgdons load data for the 223WSSM and the 220 Swift I see that the operating pressures are much higher for the short mag. And without all that much gain in velocity. The highest pressure shown for the 220 swift is 53,700 CUP. For the 223 wssm the highest is 63,800 CUP.
I wonder how long the Hornady guys took while shooting all their tests. Any cartridge with that much powder for bore size is certainly going to have an adverse effect on the throat if fired numerous times in a row.
I haven't had the opportunity of shooting the 223 WSSM. I do see rifles chambered for it sitting on gun store shelves, and no one seems to be buying them. I've known a few users of the 220 Swift and they all liked that cartridge. I always used to hear of it being called a "barrel burner". I guess the torch is being passed to the new kid on the block. ;)
Where did you find CUP data for a 223WSSM? All I can find is PSI-done with the modern transducer method. Thanks for your help.
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