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 Posted: Sun Jul 31st, 2011 12:21 AM
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Well today I went to the range to shoot my reloades and 1 had not enough of powder to get all the way out! I tryed to bang it out with a 1/4" rod BRASS but NO GO so I'm looking at 40.00 to have a gunsmith drill it out.

the calibur .308 bullet barnes 168 TTSX
no more barnes after this!!



 Posted: Sun Jul 31st, 2011 12:56 AM
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Did you try to drive it from the muzzle to the breach? also you should be able to get a bigger rod than 1/4". If you do make sure that you chamfer the end and lube the barrel good, so you don't scratch the inside of the barrel.



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yeah I put the rod in the front of the barrel sprayed liquid wrench in it but the bullet its stuck!



 Posted: Sun Jul 31st, 2011 11:15 AM
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My experience (although rather limited to only a few) with squib rounds, is that it is much easier to drive them out from the breach side rather than the muzzle. The very toughest one I removed was the my first squib. I attempted to drive out from the muzzle, because it was stuck only a couple inches into the barrel, wrong thing to do!

My "new and improved" procedure is to (where its possible to drive out the bullet from the breach side) pour into the muzzle about a dozen drops of a good penetrating oil, allow to stand muzzle straight up for a hour or more. I then will use the largest diameter and shortest length brass rod that will get to the stuck bullet with an inch or three to spare. I use short firm taps of a medium weight hammer to move the bullet into the oiled area of the barrel. Once the bullet has been moved an inch or so they usually continue to move quite easily and can be pushed out with an old cleaning rod and modest effort with a light hammer.



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That is what I been doing today I go back to Manards to get a 5/16 rod maybe the thicker rod might do it! if not take it to a GS to drill out.



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The gunsmith is most likely to just hammer it out, not drill it.

Sections of brass (or aluminum) rod, about 6" long. A long rod with too much un-supported outside the barrel WILL BEND. Short sections, stacked will keep unsupported section to a minimum. When the stack is driven flush, another section.

If you REALLY want to worry about scuffing the barrel (highly unlikely with a soft metal (Brass/Al), use 1/4" rod and cover the sections with heat-shrink sleeving. This will also help you get a most-perfect fit.

Don't waste money on a 5/16" rod.
5/16" = 0.3125".
You are stuck on/with 1/4", add about 1 layer of heat shrink sleeve/tube.

IF you could find 7mm rod (.277"), be SLIGHTLY better than 1/4 (.250).



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the problem with brass is that is to soft! so yeah I'm STUCK and the 5/16 is to think but at lest I still have my recipt return it for a steel 1/4 bar and if I mess up the groves in the barrel with the steel that give me another reason to get a better more polished 308!.



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KD,

If you decide to use the steel rod, I would go ahead and order a new barrel 'cause you will most likely screw up the old one. The steel will most likely not stay in the center of the wedged bullet, either from the breech or the muzzle, and banging around the muzzle end you will probably ruin the crown also. Brass or aluminum would be the way to go... good luck! BK



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I never made this experience myself, my late gunsmith friend had to remove a bullet so now and then from a barrel, he used a piece of dowel wood,after having oiled the inside of the barrel generously with ballistol from the muzzle and left it stand overnight, his theory was not to flatten the tail of the bullet which also would increase its diameter but only to move it.
He did also use a medium weight hammer and worked with short sharp taps until there was movement and then things normally went easy.

In the case of a solid like a Barnes, would it be worth trying to pour some really good copper solvent on top of it for a night or so to weaken the surface somewhat? Just my thinking and theory??



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I had a similar problem with a bullet. Here's what I did - the barrel is undamaged.
I used a brass rod as close to bore diameter as I could get. I wrapped the rod at the "work" end and a few places along the middle with enough masking tape to bring it to bore diameter. I put a slight bevel on the work end and I drilled a small, shallow hole - about 1/8" dia. (or less for a smaller bullet) so that the hole would catch the tip of the bullet and it would stay centered.
Lubed as suggested. I was able to dismount the barrels (had to clear two different barrels at different times). I put the breech end down on a thick piece of lead. I wrapped a lot of protection around the muzzle before hammering. I used the shortest rod that I could - you want a minimum amount of rod poking out of the Hammering end. That suggestion about multiple short lengths is brilliant.
I used sharp raps from a three pound sledge.

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What I did last night I stude the gun with the barrel up sprayed LW down the barrel the bullet is so tight that no spray pass thru!!! So today I am going back to Manards to change the 5/16 for a 1/4 rod and try again to beat it out it it dosent come out I'l take to a gunsmith!.



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its now CLEARED!!!! just cost me 40.00 and my stuff for my 223 is on the way boys!



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WELL?

What did the gunsmith do for the $40.00.

Sooner or later somebody else will have the same problem.



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Well he drilled the copper bullet out,ask me what kind of bullet I used I told him barnes 168 TTSX well that was a soild pice there! had to drill it out.Thats the last time no more Barnes bullets! Hornady is probley the same same get more 100 not 50! and their cheaper.



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Just FYI: I had one of these last year in a Wby Vanguard. The upset owner was prepared to have me fit a new bbl, but I said I'd give driving it out a try. I did the Kroil pre-soak thing, but I also used a piece of steel rod with heat shrink tubing over it near the far end, and I also dropped a piece of brass into the bbl with a much tighter fit than the steel rod. I also fitted some heat shrink tube about every 6" or so, for about 2", along that steel rod.

At first I thought it was no use, since I didn't detect any movement when I hit it with a small sledge. But then I made a mark and lo-and-behold, I was moving it about 0.020 with each tap. So I took to doing that for 1/2 hour or so, then went off and did something else, and so on for a couple of days in my shop. As it worked itself along, it got easier. And, by far the fastest progress was when I also decided to use my propane torch, lightly, on the outside of the bbl. just before starting to smack on that rod!! Of course this swelled the inner diameter a tad bit you see.

Finally, the boolit popped out, and here's the REALLY big thing.

I'd accurized this rifle a few months previous. It had been originally shooting about 1.75" 3 shot groups with it's willowy thin bbl. After I "Tech-Tuned™ it,(my proprietary process of "blueprinting" a rifle, in essence..) the groups dropped to about 0.95', 3 shots.

AFTER my "bang out the stuck bullet" procedure, you'll just have to believe me (I do have photos of the "After" results...) , it now shoots < 0.5", all-holes-touching, groups! WOW!

I've decided this may be some new magical accurizing technique. Swage-accurizing, by Mesa RifleWorks™. If so, I own it, and don't you dare try to copy or use it without sending me my royalty checks!!!! [$10 per bbl!] At the very least, it just may have swaged the micro-roughness off the bore, and/or removed absolutely ALL the copper, huh?

Anyhow, it was amazing, and the customer's v. happy! :wink:



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I have to see if what happend to happends to me! but it was TOUGH to get out I tryed myself the guys at the range tryed I even used a 4lb beater! and that didnt move it but bend the 1/4 rod! so odff to the GS. to play with it.



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Proud you were able to have it removed KD. I could see deep gouges in your barrels future if you had tried the steel... BK



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Well I have that covered also! When I take it to the range again if it shoots like crap well I just buy another rifle one that of a highter end savage.:cool:



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KD.308 wrote: Well today I went to the range to shoot my reloades and 1 had not enough of powder to get all the way out! I tryed to bang it out with a 1/4" rod BRASS but NO GO so I'm looking at 40.00 to have a gunsmith drill it out.

the calibur .308 bullet barnes 168 TTSX
no more barnes after this!!


F.W.I.W :  The barnes bullets is a fine bullet ,It would be a shame to give up on it

(If it shoots well out of your rifle) just because of a squib load :confused:



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It shot ok the groups were not as TIGHT as I wold like,and beside there are a little pricy! as you just get 50 and Hornedy give you 100, and anothing thing is copper fouling the barrel.



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