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Nosler Ballistic Tip vs Nosler Accubond in .270
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 Posted: Sun Mar 18th, 2012 07:41 PM
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Hello everyone,

I am looking for anyone who has experience with both Nosler Ballistic Tips and Nosler Accubond bullets. I have successfully used 130 grain Ballistic Tips in my .270 Winchester loaded with 56-57 grains of H4831SC in a Winchester case and primer  primer for the past few years.  However, I am looking at using a different bullet for various reasons. At the range I shoot cloverleafs with this combination and have killed many deer with it.  My first choice is a 140 grain Nosler Accubond.  From what I have read, the Accubond should hold up better and retain more weight than the Ballistic Tip. 

I am in the process of testing a 140 grain Accubond in a Winchester case with Federal, CCI, Winchester and Remington primers with a COAL of 3.250.  I was not impressed with any of my shot groups with IMR 4350 but have gotten results that rival my Ballistic Tip recipe using RL-15 with Winchster primers and IMR 4831 with Federal primers. I still have some work to do with H4831SC and RL-19. 

Any comments from anyone who has experience with both bullets or the Accubond, at the range or in the field, particularly in .270 Winchester is appreciated.

 

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 Posted: Sun Mar 18th, 2012 10:00 PM
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I have used the Ballistic tips and Accubonds in other cartridges but not in the .270. Groups have been decent from them though.
You did not say what size your groups with the Accubond were in the load that displeased you. Pity.
Now what I have to say is just my not very humble 2 cents worth and not meant as a flame in any manner. I feel any rifle that shoots a 1.50" groups or less consistantly is a good one. Less is better, I'll grant you that but any rifle shooting 1.50" at 100 yards is more than sufficient to take, deer, elk or just about any other animal in that size range to at least 300 yards. I have a few rifles that will only shoot groups in that range and thankfully most of my rifles shoot MOA or less. Frankly, for game I fel the Accubond is a better choice than the Ballistic Tip for game as it is less destructive of wating meat. The last deer I shot was with a 140 gr. 7MM Ballistic Tip and the bullet at 2800 FPS MV hadn't slowed down all that much when it hit that deer's rib at a distance of 75 yards. To make a long sad story short, the deer was lost. I won't be using one of them on deer again. I would think the velocity from you .270 would make little bombs out of those bullets.
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I currently use both types of bullets. Only in 180gr .308 though...

I've used both to take deer at approximately 100 yards.

Accubond = Deer expired about 10 yards from where I hit him. Couldn't find the bullet, and it did not pass through, one hole in and it stayed.

Ballistic Tip = Deer expired about 15 yards from where I hit him. Couldn't find the bullet, and it pass through him, small hole on one side, golf ball sized hole on the other.

Both kill equally well, Accubond was with .300 Win Mag, Ballistic Tip was with .308 Winchester.

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I use both the 130gr BT and 130gr AB in my 270wsm, both shoot to same POI. Because BT is cheaper, I use it for range and AB for hunting. BT will not hold up to 270wsm speed on game though.
I loaded for a friends 270 win, it liked WW cases, H4831sc, CCI 250s and 140gr AB. I found it liked to be pushed hard.



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I have used both bt and ab in the 270 win 130gr, I switched from the bt to the ab just to see the diff, same groups at 200yds with them both, if any diff would say the AB had a bit tighter groups but both under 1".

BT 130 gr Win cases wlr primers 4831sc @ 55gn 3.340

AB 130gr Win cases wlr primers 4831sc @ 55 gn 3.340

Did not test velocity but had loaded a few above and below the 55 gn powder charge and received the best groups from both at this amount, shooting a Tikka T -3 rifle.

In hunting mode results from bullet retention the AB preformed better on the few I had recovered, luck/shot placement did not have to track deer all found under 75yds from origanal location. average size does hunting high power season in southern Iowa.I am using just 130gr Accubonds currently.Had less meat damage from the AB compared to BT, only one AB was left in front shoulder the other two had golf ball size exit wounds in rib area, All three BT did not exit rib area and this is the reason for the switch. All shots between 100yds & 150yds.

I did like the results in the 130gr BT coyote hunting but was not worried about fur or meat damage, have shot 4 during deer hunts.

Hope this helps



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Thanks joew,

That is the type of information I am looking for.



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Thanks wheezengeezer,

That is also some very good information. I guess I just need to finish range testing my reloads and take it out in the woods this coming season. Hopefully I will have teh same results as everyone else has had.

Thanks a million everyone



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I've taken 2 elk with 140 AB's in 270wsm factory loads. Both were large mature cows in the 500 lb size at different ranges. The first was under 200 yards and the second was lasered at 327 yards. Both animals were anchored and expired by the time we got to them. Both shots were behind the front shoulder broadside and both bullets exited the animals on the far side. I think the AB is about as close as you can get to a bullet that will hold together at higher velocities and still expand at slower ones. I'm sold on them.



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I've used both in my Dad's 270, 130gr BT and 140gr AB, both have worked well on smaller deer here (Fallow), but the 140gr AB has knocked a few Sambar as well with very good results. The AB is a stouter bullet and doesn't expand as much as a BT does, but it is definitely a very good bullet for larger game.

I've had very good results with BT's and AB's in many calibres, starting from the varmint type BT's in .22 and .25, and hunting style BT's/AB's right up to the 375Weatherby!

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I have handloaded the 130 BT and 140 AB in the 270 Win.

The loads I settled on were:

130 BT, 61.5g H4831SC, std lr primer - velocity 3075 fps ave
140 AB, 59.0g H4831SC, std lr primer - velocity 2955fps ave

I found the BT was more accurate and appeared very mild. The AB was not as accurate and was starting to show some flattening of the primers.

Eventually I moved onto 150g non bonded bullets as good all round loads.

When I want to use something lighter I really like the 130g Hotcors, as they are accurate and seem to hold together better than the Nosler BTs. They dont cost much either.



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Thanks for the input.  My go to loads in .270 are not to far off from your loads. Must be something about H4831SC.

 

Thanks

 

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Hello everyone from cold and soggy Fredericksburg, Va. I got to field test the 140 grain Nosler Accubond in my .270 Winchester and have to say that I had very similar results as JoeW and SavageSHooter had.  I took two does on different days with shots at 63 and 100 yards and came away impressed.

I wound up using the 140 Grain Accubond in a Winchester Case trimmed to 2.530, with a COAL of 3.320, 54 grains of H4831SC and a Remington primer.

Both shots resulted in nice entry and exit wounds with lots of internal damage to the vital areas.  One doe bucked and walked about 20 yards and dropped,  The other doe dropped, got up and then went down again about 20 yards away. 

I was very pleased with the consistency of the Accubond versus the Ballistic Tip.  I am not saying the BT is a bad bullet.  I have never lost a deer with the BTs but I was looking for something that will hold up a better than the BTs.

I am testing the SilverTip this winter for my .270.  I have spoken to several people that use nothing but the SilverTip in their guns.  I will see how it groups first.  If I am happy with the results at the range then I will use it in the woods next deer season.

The season is still underway in Virginia, however I was fortunate to take what I wanted this year and am calling it a season.  Thanks for the help from everyone who replied to this thread.



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