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Posted: 20 March 2007 04:26 PM

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wolfkill, I saw your two videos of the bear kill... just couldn't make out that fast talking on the second one though :lol:

but my home page is http://montanan59903.tripod.com just in case a person has popup blockers like I do on this laptop. you can copy and paste that URL in the address line and that should help you out.

I had wondered what caliber that you had used for the bear harvesting.

Dang I would love to get down to Texas and hunt some of these hogs, a poor mans grizzly bear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUCYh2nkSd8

Here's a guy using a 45-70 to teach pigs the Texas Break Dance
http://residents.bowhunting.net/awesomehunting/Texas%202005A/movie/quigleypigglyinternet_150.wmv

I would love to get into some of these Texas Hogs. I mean we just aint got any of these here in Montana.

BTW - This is not me it was taken by Venado Loco a guy I know down in Texas.

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Posted: 20 March 2007 08:41 PM

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Hey JB,

Excellent shooting. Mine won't (at least with me shooting) shoot that good at 100yds with factory loads. I'm going to set the black powder aside for now and try some smokeless loads. If I can find a cast bullet it throws accuratly I can go back to the bp and try again.

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Posted: 20 March 2007 10:34 PM

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Okay, no problem on waiting on the BP loading, when you are ready here is a free print off written by a friend of mine

Introduction To Black Powder Loading

Now, this may sound crazy to you but, do not be afraid of getting the scope mount for the H&R Rifles and mounting a scope... yes I did not studder, for your range work or just leave it on iffin ya like it. I know several that have mounted scopes and kept their long 32" barrels on them just because.

The important thing is that your shooting your Buffalo Classic's and not getting frustrated cuz of your groups. That rifle will group and group well.... I will have to scan and post a 100 yard target... on second thought :troll:

Dang I just love this new forum board family here.....

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Posted: 20 March 2007 10:53 PM

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Thats a real nice porker.Good cutters on it.Should have made a real nice mount.

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Posted: 20 March 2007 11:01 PM

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Thanks JB

I've got a Weaver mount and Burris 3x9 on my Handi rifle in .223. I think I'll stick with the iron on my Shikari for now. I'll keep you posted on my progress. I hope its progress anyway!

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Posted: 25 March 2007 10:36 PM

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I thought I would tease you a bit... here is a friends 1871 Buffalo Classic that he had reamed up to 45-120 along with a pic of one of the cartridges for it loaded with a 525-gr Beartooth Bullet Pile Driver. Your shoulder will give out before the Buffalo Classic will. A little something to help you for that recoil "Field Armor"

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Posted: 30 March 2007 12:30 PM

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J_B,

Back in the 70's I used to reload the .45-70 and do extensive target work and hunting with a Marlin 1895. Thirty years later, I started hankering to get back into it and I spotted a BC in a local gun shop this past Saturday and bought it on the spot.

I'm going through the usual procedures of improving the sights, reducing recoil, and upgrading appearance, though I plan to keep the classic looks of the rifle.

I saw your reference to steel trigger guards and spacers but the link you provided doesn't work for me. Can you tell me how to contact the suppliers? Are these available through H&R?

Thanks for any help.

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Posted: 30 March 2007 12:35 PM

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Posted: 30 March 2007 12:51 PM

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Posted: 30 March 2007 12:53 PM

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Posted: 21 October 2007 07:05 PM

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I too wandered in to a gun shop and left with a Buffalo classic. Dug up an old load that I used years ago in a Marlin 1881 45-70. My receipe: new R-P brass, 5gr Green Dot over primer, 55gr Goex FF black, 1/16" cork over powder wad, 405gr hard cast RNFP bullet made by bonusbullets.com. Compresses powder well, without distorting the bullet. Very mild recoil, with very good accuracy. Fired cases extract without extra effort, and will fall back into the chamber without sizing. Can't tell you the velocity, but I'll settle for not knowing, and accept the accuracy. By the way, this load shoots very clean, with hardly any residue . A small amount of crimp is all that is needed.

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Posted: 23 October 2007 02:56 AM

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I'm game to try your load. I've had a lot of reloading experience with the .45-70 but always with smokeless propellants. I've got a good supply of cast bullets, have Green Dot and bought a pound of Goex FFg today. I also got some felt wads.

My question is, though I've looked through all of my reloading references, nobody tells you how to measure out black powder. I understand it's by volume and not weight. Are there measures? Should I buy a Lyman 55 set up for black powder?

Thanks for any help.

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Posted: 23 October 2007 03:47 AM

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X1STCAV wrote: I'm game to try your load. I've had a lot of reloading experience with the .45-70 but always with smokeless propellants. I've got a good supply of cast bullets, have Green Dot and bought a pound of Goex FFg today. I also got some felt wads.

My question is, though I've looked through all of my reloading references, nobody tells you how to measure out black powder. I understand it's by volume and not weight. Are there measures? Should I buy a Lyman 55 set up for black powder?

Thanks for any help.

Actually, I do weigh it out. It just so happens that amount of FF fills the case to exactly where I want it to be. Not scientific like the big boys, but that's always the way I have loaded cartridge BP loads. I use a brass dipper to pour BP into an aluminum pan-no spark possibility. If you're going to load a lot of BP, the Lyman measure is the way to go. Try to keep your OP wads .010" or less so that your seating depth and crimp groove work out. With muzzleloaders, use the powder weight info that comes with the firearm. whatever weight you settle on, use your scale to measure that amount, open your volume device all the way, pour the BP into the device and slowly close it until the powder reaches the top. this is your volume of BP to use. This may be the source of some of the confusion. I hope with this "explanation", I didn't add to it.

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Posted: 30 October 2007 10:35 PM

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I started with shooting a 45-70 in the early 70's and learned not to load it with 500gr bullets with heavy powder charges.I have a Marlin XLR in 45-70 that I load to a max of 1500fps or less.Here's some cowboy load data http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

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Posted: 31 October 2007 07:38 AM

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I do not Duplex loads for those big soft ones.

I shoot a NEI 535 Modified Gunn ( The average weight is .557), Card Wad, and - a straight Plumber's lead with 56g of FFF Goex.

I do plan to play with some of that Swiss 1 1/2. the guys from Friendship say that it does good boost the MV from around 1380 to something like 1415.

They come out of the mold out at about .460 and resize to .459. Those groves are a lot different than the Marlin Micro-Groove. Faster is not always better.

If I can get this CCSP Range built down here in Las Vegas I'll get to play some.

No Bulldozers yet !

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Posted: 20 November 2007 01:34 AM

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Hi folks.

I'm new to this forum and I realize the thread has gotten old but I'm curious to know if any of you have mounted a Malcom scope on a Buffalo Classic yet. I'd like to build one up as an entry-level BPC rifle.

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Posted: 20 November 2007 02:44 AM

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Your Rifle looks great!

I have a Hasquvarna, chambered in 45/120 which was made in 1897. I'll have to get some digital pic's to pass along. I love those 3 1/4 long Shinny Brass Cartdriges fanned out below the Rifle.

I take mine to the Gun Shows here in Las Vegas. Some people find it hard to believe that those long cartdriges will fit into a Gun so gracefull looking.

Good Going.

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