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Well finally received some of the new Barnes Maxium Range X bullets. Loaded up some rounds with the three most accurate powders/loads for my 300 Ultra Mag., drove 100 mi. to my friends ranch with my son to test them and do a little shooting. I was very dissapointed with the accuracy of the bullet. I used the same loads I do with the Barnes TSX and Swift Scirrocos. They were more than twice as big ! It probably is a great bullet on game but come on ! $30.00 for 20 . They are a little shorter because of the tungsten steel core and not solid copper like all of their others.They have a plastic "balistic" tip and still have the 4 groves like the TSX. I even cleaned my barrel after 10 shots, fired a fouling shot and let the barrel cool between shots just to see the best potential. I also weighed each bullet and used some new Nosler cases. They were unfired though. The bullet weight varied from 179.4 to 180.5. not near as good as the TSX. I only had about .5 gr. difference with them. Pretty good for Barnes bullets. Nosler,Hornady and Sierra are much better than that I find. Oh well. Got to install and sight in a new sight on my bow while I was there anyway. Don
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You would expect a little better quality control out of that price of bullet---
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I thought of trying those if and or when they started a .257 bullet. And now Im out. Thanks for the good info wyo.
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Saved me some cash! Thanks
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Hey fellas..Talk to TexasDoc,he is a field rep for Barnes bullets.There are some secrets to making a Barnes bullet shoot well in a factory rifle.Doc can fill you in.I never have tried Barnes bullets.Don`t like em and don`t like the price but they are good meat killers..
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Thanks for replying all you guys ! I remember when Barnes first started making X bullets and they were made overseas in some Indonesion country. They had terrible quality control. I had weight differences of almost 3.0 grs. ! A year later they started making them in his plant in Utah. Then the weight difference went down allot but was no where near Sierra,Nosler,Hornady,etc. . They didn't shoot well either. Then when the came out with the XBT and moly XBT's. They got better in both depts. I was getting 1 in. or better with the 180 and 168 gr. XBT moly's. The latter I killed my bighorn with at 306 yds. It was supposed to be a match bullet if I remember right... After that I shoot nothing but 180 gr. bullets. The Swift Scirrocos I have gotten some .75 grps. with and the Barnes TSX's were just as good. I still want to try one of the MRX's on game though. I'm going to try some more loads. The good grps. I was getting with the other two bullets were with max loads also. I always try to find an accurate max load to hunt with because I like the most speed/flat shooting load for it. Kinda like your thinking Force Recon. I'll wait to see if TexasDoc comes up with someting. I know the Barnes manual/bullets differ allot from other bullets/manuals. The long bullet because of being solid copper I think is harder to stabilize or something. TG, sorry to hear you don't like them. What I do like about them is their penetration and they don't do allot of meat distruction and they loose little if any weight. Thanks for listening to me blab on ! Don
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TG, When I first got my 300 Ultra Mag I started loading 150 gr. bullets for some stupid reason. I liked the speed. I was chonoing my max loads up to 3650 fps ! The only problem is they were blowing all to hell and ruining allot of meat. They shot flatter than heck though. I shot Hornady Interbonds,SST Interlocks,Nosler Accubonds,Balistic tips,Partitions and Combined Tech balistic silvertip,etc. In 150 gr. I don't think they are intended for that speed. The Swift Scirocco's weren't quite as bad but still lost half of thier weight like the Partitions. I wised up and started shooting 180 gr. bullets. I still get over 3300 fps and they stay together. At least with the Barnes TSX and Scirroco's . I bought some Accubonds,Hornady Interbonds and others in 180 gr, but haven't shot them on paper or game yet. Was too pleased with the Barnes TSX and Scirrocos. One thing is nice, I have ALLOT of 150 gr. and some 165 gr. bullets and brands to work on the .308 loads with ! The bad thing, if you want to call it that is since I quit shooting my 7 mag and went to the 300 RUM 4 yrs. ago, I have so many boxes of different .284/7mm bullets it's unbeleivable. Brand new brass too. Anybody shoot a 7 mag or 7 mm let me know, I'll ship.
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Hey Wyo, I am all over some 7mm Rem. That is mostly what I hunt with. Its going with me to Wyoming.
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I will also be taking the .257 but I wont leave home without my 7 mag. Plus my dad may decide he wants to use it.
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 TG, FYI. The Hornady 300 gr. XTP in my 454 Casull and S&W 460 XVR is xlnt. Haven't used it on game yet though. The factory 460 Hornady 200 gr. SST accuracy is hard to beat. It shot 1 3/8 in grp..,Cor Bon 275 gr. Barnes XPB 1 5/8 in grp.,and my load ,40.0 grs. H-110 w/Hornady 300 gr. XTP was 1 1/4 in.,All at 50 yds. and on 7x scope. On game, I'll take the 300 gr. over the 2200 fps 200 gr. SST anytime. FYI, the XTP was the mag bullet for higher pressures/velocity. I don't know why I ramble on like this. I guess it's nice to have so many guys with the same interests at one place. Forgive me !Last edited on Fri Mar 2nd, 2007 01:21 AM by wyo300rum
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I have never used the 300 grain but I have used the 240 grain in my .454. I had to kill one of my uncles cows with it. I still have the bullet. I cant remember how much exactly but it lost a lot of weight. My 240's are in front of H110. I think 36 grains. I would have to check my notes with my C.R.S. and all.
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Force, I've shot some 240 XTP's in my Ruger SRH 9 in. but I would have to look at my notes too .I just did. I found the last load I was using in my 7 mag. for deer. It was a Fed. case. Fed 215 primer, 70.0 grs. RL22 w/Barnes 140 gr. XBT moly coated chronoed at 3240-3250 fps.. I was getting 1.0 in. grps. w/my Ruger Mk II stainless w/24 in. barrel.(I know you shoot 7 mag) Anyway the Cassul loads for the 240 gr. XTP I found were 36.0 gr H110,36.0 gr. W296. That's all I could find for the 240 gr. The H110 was more accurate. I was using a 4x scope on it at 50 yds. The 300 grainers were more accurate. With H110 also, barely.I also tried some Speer 260 gr JHP's in it but got scared after I read an article about the bases bulging on non mag bullets in the Casull and I'm sure in the 460 now too. I used 33.0 grs. of W296 and got a 1 1/2 in grp.,260 gr. w/33.0 grs. H110 and a 1 3/4 in. grp. A Hornady 250 gr. (long colt, etc.) w/33.0 H110 and a 2 1/4 in. grp and the 250 Hornady again w/33.0 grs. W296 and a 1 3/8 in. grp. All 50 yds. on 4X. The Speer 260 gr. as very accurate but like I read... Been shooting the Hornady 300 gr. mostly and sometimes the 240 gr. Haven't shot any Barnes in the Casull. You have a Tarrus Raging Bull if I remember right. What's the barrel length ?
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Its a 6.5" wyo, I have been pretty pleased with it. I want to get some of the Barnes pistol bullets to try with it. A friend of mine has one that he recovered and it is fully expanded and retained 100% of its weight. It looked like it did some serious damage.
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I've shot the Barnes XPB in 275 gr. out of my 460 S&W XVR like I said but not on game. Shot good though on paper. I bought some Barnes XPB's in 210 gr I think they were also. I know in my rifles they don't loose any weight and kill good. I was going to tell you on your 7 mag or any caliber for that matter. Since they don't loose any weight you can get away with shooting a lighter grain bullet and gain some speed to boot. That's why I went down to 140's instead of 150's in my 7 mag. and 90 gr. in my .25 Bullbarry contender abd 90 in my .243. also. Stuck with 180's in my .300 RUM though.
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wyo300rum wrote: Well finally received some of the new Barnes Maxium Range X bullets. Loaded up some rounds with the three most accurate powders/loads for my 300 Ultra Mag., drove 100 mi. to my friends ranch with my son to test them and do a little shooting. I was very dissapointed with the accuracy of the bullet. I used the same loads I do with the Barnes TSX and Swift Scirrocos. They were more than twice as big ! It probably is a great bullet on game but come on ! $30.00 for 20 . They are a little shorter because of the tungsten steel core and not solid copper like all of their others.They have a plastic "balistic" tip and still have the 4 groves like the TSX. I even cleaned my barrel after 10 shots, fired a fouling shot and let the barrel cool between shots just to see the best potential. I also weighed each bullet and used some new Nosler cases. They were unfired though. The bullet weight varied from 179.4 to 180.5. not near as good as the TSX. I only had about .5 gr. difference with them. Pretty good for Barnes bullets. Nosler,Hornady and Sierra are much better than that I find. Oh well. Got to install and sight in a new sight on my bow while I was there anyway. Don
You know I am not doubting your word in anyway, I just don't understand how a machined bullet can be even 1/10 of a grain off!?! The Hornady 150 SST's I just bought were 65 out of 100 were 1/10 of a GR. lite and the balance were 2/10 lite. A machined bullet should be exact or the difference should be so small that it can't be weighed on a powder scale different. Doesn't say much for their machinists or their machines.
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The MRX bullets probably vary because of the tungsten core. Or thats what I would guess anyway.
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I could never understand why Barnes bullets always varied so much either. They plate them with something though. I have always weighed my bullets. Like you say, Nosler,Hornady,Sierra, etc. are almost exactly the same. Like I siad, I weighed all 20 in the box and they were between 179.4 to 180.5 grs. Quality control maybe ? The TSX only varied .5 gr. and their XBT's are about the same. I always sort them in bunches. Can't tell you why Big John but I always weigh them and on a electronic scale. Barnes has never matched the accuracy of the other bullets I mentioned except the Triple Shoks. I just like the way they kill.
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wyo300rum wrote: I could never understand why Barnes bullets always varied so much either. They plate them with something though. I have always weighed my bullets. Like you say, Nosler,Hornady,Sierra, etc. are almost exactly the same. Like I siad, I weighed all 20 in the box and they were between 179.4 to 180.5 grs. Quality control maybe ? The TSX only varied .5 gr. and their XBT's are about the same. I always sort them in bunches. Can't tell you why Big John but I always weigh them and on a electronic scale. Barnes has never matched the accuracy of the other bullets I mentioned except the Triple Shoks. I just like the way they kill.
It could be the tungsten but they have to machine that as well so it is still on the machines doing the work or the machinists or inspection failure.
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Big John, that's the first time they have made any of their X bullets out of anything but solid copper. Maybe it's a learning curve ? They used to have their Barnes Burners that were lead core. Don't know if they still make them. Their first X bullets were terrible too. Maybe they will get better. Don't really care. I still have another box of 20. If I can't find a different load to make them shoot well, oh well. Too damm expensive anyway. Plenty of other bullets that kill good. I'll stick to the TSX and Swift Scirroco's. Take care. Don
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if I was after critters that bite when ya shoot em..
lol,nahh,that is too much bullet..Well,maybe grizzlies I would.
