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 Posted: Sat Jun 4th, 2005 03:40 PM
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I just bought a clean Yugo 24/47 mauser in military trim.  I am thinking about leaving it military and duplicating the 196 grain load the Yugo's used in the war so the sights will regulate approximatly.  The S&B 196 SPCE shoots very well in this rifle but I want to load my own so does anyone have any ieas on a way to what I want? Probably have to use Speer's 200 grain bullet but I don't know what the velocity to shoot for.



 Posted: Sun Jun 5th, 2005 03:50 PM
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Hey Rick,billt loads for the 8x57mmHe might be able to help you.I`ve never messed with it bud,sorry I can`t help you on it.:sad:



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Ask BigBill he is into the old Military Rifles.:thumbs:



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Hi Rick,

I just loaded 500 rounds for the 8MM Mauser. My load was the Remington 185 Gr. Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" bullet over 50.0 Gr. of IMR 4350 Powder. Brass was Remington as well. Primers were Federal 210 Bench Rest Primers. I crimped the load with the Lee Factory Crimp Die. This load shoots well, and isn't overly steamy. It approaches 100% loading density. Velocity is running right around 2,350 to 2,400 FPS.I bought everything from Midway. They have some pretty good prices on bulk brass and bullets in 8MM. I sprung for the RCBS Competition Dies with the nice micrometer bullet seating die with the "window" for inserting the bullet. These are really nice, and worth the extra money. I have just now got into shooting the 8MM since I bought a couple of new Model 48 Yugo Mausers from Mitchells. I'm real pleased with them. It starting to get real hot here, so I won't be doing too much shooting outdoors, but come this fall when it cools off I'll be back at it whole hog!  billt  

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Rick; Sorry I can't help you with your mauser, but I have one of those 700 Classics chambered in 8x57, and I love it already!! I drive the 200 Speer or Partition out at between 2550 and 2650 with a good load of Norma 204 or Reloder 19. My rifle seems to prefer the 204 to any other powder I have tried with the heavier bullets. I also shoot the 180 Ballistic Tip with N204. I have no pressure signs at all, even at 2750 with the 180 B.T. The rifle seems to like most bullets I have tried, but the smallest groups have come using the 150 Hornady driven by Reloder 15. By the ballistics I am seeing, this chambering gives up very little to the 30-06 in a practical sense. Hope you find what you are looking for. Regards, Eagleye.

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I know this is not reccomended but I am going to pull some of the 196 grain Yugo FMJ bullets and replace them with 185 grain Rimington PSPcl bullets.  Supposedly the 196 grain bullets are going somewhere around 2500 fps. I will most likely reduce the load 3 grains and work up if pressure signs allow. By the way the Yugo ammo FMJ has a good sized hollow space between the core and point causing it to tumble and spit out the core rather quickly in a sand medium.



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Why would going to a lighter bullet, with an already safe charge...not be recommended ? Where did you hear that ? Even if you keep the charge weight the same....pull the 196gr. bullets...and replace with the 185's....you will get higher velocity and LOWER pressure. Of course, this is also predicated on keeping the net volume in the case the same - so, bullet seating depth needs to be the same, as the original load. I've been working on 8mm Mauser loads, for my M48. This is exactly the direction in which I am going. I started with load data for a 200 gr. bullet, with a powder I liked (IMR-4064)....and used the Rem. 185gr. bullets, instead. 42.0 grains gives about 2260fps....and 46.0 grains (a max. load with the 200 gr. bullet) gives about 2520fps - with the 185gr. corelokts (somewhat more than the 200gr. specs). In all cases, these loads produce LOWER pressures than with the original 200 grain bullet. So, they couldn't possibly be unsafe.





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The bearing surface of the bullet comes into play. I once substituted a 150 grain Sierra boattail bullet for some military 150 grain FMJ in a 308 and had to beat the bolt open with a 2x4. I had to reduce the military powder charge 4 grains to get a safe load. When cobbling together ammo there is nothing relative.



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rickt300,
That's a very good point. I didn't think of that one. Thanks, I'll file that away for future reference. One saving grace, though, with the use of a lighter bullet (in the scenario I described)....if the lighter bullet is shorter than the original, that is, the bearing area (straight portion, behind the ogive)....then the bearing surface will be less - thus, lower pressure. I'm not trying to argue, you understand. After I read your comment...I measured the bullets I am using vs. some milsurp bullets I have laying around. I realized that the Rems are shorter, in the bearing area. Thus, no problem (in this particular case). This IS an important issue, of course - and should be considered when contemplating any changes. Thanks again.



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I still buy the Portugese 308 military surplus and replace the bullets with either the 130 grain Hollow point by Speer for varmints or target and the 130 grain Hornady Spire point for deer and small hogs as it is a tougher bullet. I never got satisfactory results meddling with any steel cased ammo.



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I had an old 8mm Mauser laying around. It has a long barrel, so I thought "i'll make my own 325 Magnum". I put it in a Core-Lite Stock and had the bolt turned down and drilled & tapped for a scope. So far I've got 39.00 in the stock and 83.00 in the other work.

I loaded up some 150 and 185 grain loads and off to the range. The 150's were so light that they wouldn't obdurate and blew powder onto my forehead with every shot. The cases were black on the whole front half. The 185's were pretty good loads.

I have since made some 159 grain loads that were much better. I ordered several more bullet weights from Midway and they will be in soon. The Mauser isn't the most accurate, 2 inch groups are the norm, but it is a fun gun.

I have always been fasinated by the 8mm-06. I originally wanted to convert this one to 8mm-06, but it was too expensive. I may order the 8mm-06 finish reamer from Midway and do it myself. I have read several articles that mentioned that often a Club would have a reamer, and just open them up by hand using a go guage or cartridge. I think that the gunsmith's are just a bit too anal. Removing the barrel and cutting the chamber IS probably best, but it's an old raggedy 8mm!

I got a price of 265.00 + shipping to bore it out, recut the rifling and rechamber to 35 Whelen. I may just go bigger. The long barrel should allow some decent speed reloads.



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I did replace some of the 196 grain bullets with the 185 grain Remington PSPCL, first sropping the military powder charge 2 grains then one and then by just changing the bullet.  All loadsgive good accuracy but the primers lesk around where the stab crimp in the case head. This happens with the straight military ammo also.  I think I'll use the 2 grain reduced load for safety after all with the iron sights it still is plenty for the ranges I can hit game with ti.



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i load 53 grains h-380 in my brno, w/ a sierra 175.

next time i get out to the garage (later tonight or tomorrow - gotta finish loading for the winter this weekend), i'll look up my velocity numbers on the s&b ammo... i chronied the shit out of that stuff during my mauser build...



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I'm loading for my 8mm Rem 700. I also have alot of IMR4350 and want to load for the 200gr Nosler Accubond. Do you have any load data for that weight? I see you have been loading for the 185s. Any help you can give would be appreciated:cool:



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if you're referring to me, no, i don't.

the 8 mauser is relatively new to me, so i haven't spent a lot of time w/ it just yet. as for imr powders, i hate the cans, so i don't use that stuff, either. however, the 4350's are pretty good, forgiving, flexible powders; i don't think you'd have any troubles.



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My 8x57 likes 42 grs of IMR 3031 behind the 175 sierra.  It is a light load, gives about 2430 fps.  But has killed a number of whitetails.

 



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Is it a given that powders favored by the 30-06 will also do well in the 8x57??Serious question here out of curiosity...



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Certainly sounds right to me.  Capacities are similar.

But the powders today are fairly versatile.  I use 4064 and in my 416 mags.  It gives great accuracy in both that medium capacity case and large cap.


 



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I just purchased my LEE 8mm dies to reload and i figure i'm going to use the 185gr remington bullets first just to try them.  I also figure that IMR 4350 powder would work well too. I just finished my 8mm sporter and its time to put some heat in the barrel its in military trim with a 3 post military style scope with 10 coats of tung oil on the military stock it looks awesome.

I have noticed that the american reloading specs are on the light side and the european 8mm reloading specs seem to be much higher. I guess its because of law suits here.  The 8mm when reloaded correctly it surpasses the 30-06 in ballastics.  You may want to look at the vihtavouri 8mm specs too.  As long as you have a strong 98 large ring receiver. :thumbs:

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I have been loading alot since I first posted about my 8mm. The bullet I am having real luck with is the 200 gr Nosler Accubond, which was really developed for the 325 WSM. I'll post the particulars next week, but it is responding well to a slower load (about 2375fps) The new load will be 180 gr. Barnes triple shocks I just got. I have also had good results from commercial bonded Norma 196 gr Oryx but it is very pricey. The good part is the wonderful Norma brass you are left with. The oryx bullet can also be purchased in lots of 100 for a comparable price to the Nosler. This is all fired in my Rem 700 Classic, so pressure is not a problem. If you want higher power commercial ammo, Hornady and Sellier and Bellot loads are to modern pressures. I have loaded the S & B brass and it works fine. Have been using H4350 and IMR 4064.



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