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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 1 August 2008 03:52 PM |
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Hi,
I got a request today to reload some .222Rem. magn cases.
Problem is, I do not have dies in that caliber, no need for them too, until now.
Looking at the cases, I am wondering if it is possible to resize these cases partially with an adjusted .222Rem. FL sizer die.
The rounds will be used in the same rifle again, but in this case I want to resize the body somewhat too to prevent sticking when fast repeating.
This is not a way to do things by the book, but it is a kind of an emergency help to the owner of the rifle because his supplier has no stock until end of the month.
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Oddbod
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Posted: 1 August 2008 10:43 PM |
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Absolutely not!
One quick look at the dimensional differences of the cases shows how potentially lethal this is.
As stated in the Lyman handbook:
"Owners of rifles chambered for both the Remington 223 & Remington 222 Magnum cartridges must use extreme care not to use the wrong ammunition in a rifle."
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 2 August 2008 08:15 AM |
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Oddbod schreef: Absolutely not!
One quick look at the dimensional differences of the cases shows how potentially lethal this is.
As stated in the Lyman handbook:
"Owners of rifles chambered for both the Remington 223 & Remington 222 Magnum cartridges must use extreme care not to use the wrong ammunition in a rifle."
I took a case and adjusted an old RCBS FL .222Rem. die in such a way that it just sized the neck completely. The body of the case is touched by the die only very lightly.
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Posted: 2 August 2008 11:47 PM |
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I certainly dont have load ing experience of some of the fellows on here, so take my prose with a grain of salt and a dash of good common sense. If the neck is the same, youshold be fine, if would act as a neck sizing die.
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varmintcaller
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Posted: 3 August 2008 02:20 AM |
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| I agree with oddbod, I think you are asking for trouble.....Just my $.02
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 3 August 2008 12:08 PM |
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From my Speer Manual;
.222Rem.; .222Rem. Magn.;
Total case length 43.18 mm 46.99 mm
Diameter above the groove 9.58 mm 9.56 mm
Diameter shoulderbase 9.08 mm 9.07 mm
Shoulder angle 23 degr. 23 degr.
outside neck diam. 6.43 mm 6.43 mm
Length of neck 7.94 mm 6.70 mm
I understand, one has his doubts about practising this, at the other hand, all the vital dimensions are such, that the Magnum case runs free in the die at the vital points like body,shoulder dimension/angle will not be altered, clearance enough for the neck to be full resized, and the taper of the magnum case is less than the .222Rem.std case, therefore barely touched.
If the die is set very carefully to just not bump the shoulder, I do not see any point of danger here, or did I miss something?
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Posted: 3 August 2008 02:03 PM |
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| Paul, I think you'll be fine neck sizing these as long as they are run through the same gun. RD
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Posted: 3 August 2008 05:17 PM |
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There is no difference between the .222 and .222 mag except length. It can be done, just need to be damned sure not to push the shoulder of the .222 Mag case back too much and create an excessive headspace condition.
After researching the issue, I'm getting ready to do the same thing with the 8x56 Kropatschek and the 8mm Lebel. Lebel dies are available from Lee, for less than $30, 8x56 Kropatschek are over $100 from RCBS. I've seen several people who load the Kropatschek with Lebel dies, so there is precedence.
Just be cautious and careful.
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Oddbod
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Posted: 4 August 2008 04:03 AM |
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I received two email notifications of replies to this thread - one of them in Afrikaans.
Weird 
I see more clearly what you're doing now & although it's not ideal I can't see a problem if you're using the die to neck size only.
It was the part about resizing the case body that set the alarm bells ringing, as moving the shoulder back could lead to unwanted consequences.
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 4 August 2008 06:41 AM |
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@ Oddbod;
I am receiving double notifications all the time.All the notifications are maked as unsafe.
Although I did not change the settings of my computer, those notifications now come in the "unwanted"list, not in my inbox anymore, and when I transfer them into my inbox by declaring them as "allowed"it works fine, but the next notification still comes into my "Unwanted "box.
The settings of my cookies are unaltered, my safety-level is medium.
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