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stefan49
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Posted: 6 September 2008 11:29 PM |
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Gents, I have loaded 130Grain Barnes XBT with 42 grains of IMR4895 for my 7x57.
I must say that the accuracy was superb, but performance on white
tail deer was a total disaster!
I shot a buck cca 30+/- yards right in the shoulder. I could actually blood dripping out of the hole, and the thing just stood there. Totally amused I fired second shot, the deer took off and went down after running about 70 yards.
What was really shocking to me was what I seen after recovering the bullet.It looked like perfect penny, but never penetrated the shoulder of the deer!
That season (couple of years ago) I shot at another deer (2)and never recovered it.
After that I went home, grabbed another rifle and finished my hunting.
First I thought that the rifle was off, but taking it range proved otherwise. It shot this loads inside of 1 inch.
Needless to say all the reloads that had Barnes XBT got shot at target, but this entire experience keeps comong back to hount me.
What is take on this-after all Barnes suppose to be a Premium bullet isn't it?
At this point I am not too sure!
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Posted: 7 September 2008 03:46 AM |
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| What kind of velocity are you getting out of your rifle?
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stefan49
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Posted: 7 September 2008 10:07 AM |
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Posted: 7 September 2008 12:11 PM |
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I would have thought that would be enough velocity to make it penetrate better. I only started using Barnes recently but I have heard good things about them. Maybe it was just an isolated incident. 
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stefan49
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Posted: 7 September 2008 02:43 PM |
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Well,that's just the thing--isolated incident! I guarantee you that I take my shooting seriously; and when i go for a premium bullet I expect premium results, which I did not get.
That first shot-well I thought about the way you do, but I also know that if I have deer standing broad side at 75 yards I will not miss it and that is two, not one deer! I will not take a weapon into field without shooting it and making sure that it shoot accurate! Them deer were hit, no question about it!
That is my problem, I do not know what happened here!
I also had a situation with Federal slugs that are loaded with Barnes solids. Same thing, slug hit the shoulder of deer-perfect expansion, this time it did broke the bone bot that's about it! It was just sitting there, no penetration at all!...and that is a factory load. From that point no Barnes bullets or any of the solid cooper stuff for me!
This is the reason for my posting this issue here, hoping that someone can put some sence into it! I certainly can not! 
F...man, I have been using Hornady 139 grain, nothing fancy (and 1/3 of the price of Barnes bullet) for close to 40 years, and NEVER hat this kind of experience!
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Posted: 7 September 2008 03:49 PM |
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Well I would stick to what has worked for me in the past. 
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Posted: 15 September 2008 05:27 PM |
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I was thinking of trying the Barnes bullets this year in my .280. I currently use Hornady 139g BTSP. After reading this I think I will stick with my Hornady bullets.
The other bonus is they are 1/2 the price of the Barnes!
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Posted: 15 September 2008 06:25 PM |
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| Exactly my feeling. I myself use Hornady, Nosler or Spear with no problems.I would like to like Barnes Bullets, but somehow i lost my confidence in it!
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Posted: 15 September 2008 10:55 PM |
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I wonder if that lot of bullets had a bad heat treat ,looking at the #4 book it doesn't list imr 4895 for the 7 x57 perhaps a slower powder like imr 4350 or the like ,
you didn't say if you have chonographed this load at the range . i think thats where i would start in troubleshooting this before i gave up on a good bullet
I shoot a 300win mag and have been using the barnes (165gr)XLC and now the TSX with phenominal results accuracy and terminal performance
hit a elk at 175 yrds and dropped it instantly (clean pass through) ,deer elk ect every thing shot with this round has not taken anouther step
the next one i want to try is the TTSX bullet same thing but with a poly tip
now having said that my hunting partner of the last 14 or so years shoots an '06 and with that bullet his gun wont hit the same place twice and we have tried everything Except a barrel change
looking at the #4 barnes the loads jump from 120gr to 140gr
is the XBT(and the 130gr) one of the discontinued bullets like the XLC ,i sure liked my blue bullets
final note : not every gun/barrel likes every bullet/load combo and you just have to keep playing with it until you find the one that drops them like a sack of taters and stick with it Happy hunting
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Posted: 16 September 2008 12:39 AM |
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| I have not taken any game with a Barnes yet but I loaded some in my .50 cal and I put 5 of those through a 12" oak tree. Every round went through and made some very impressive exit holes. There were splinters everywhere behind that tree.
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Posted: 11 November 2008 06:15 PM |
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I have been shooting the Barnes TSX in 110 grains out of my 270 for a couple of years now. I have had nothiing but perfect performance from them on paper and in the field. I have recovered to of the bullets from animals so far, and they had perfect expansion and weighed 107.4 and 107.7 respectively.
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Posted: 11 November 2008 11:36 PM |
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I have loads some 250 gr for my 45/70 that go around 2200 fps. They will crush a Deer shoulder and smash the other one at 200 yards!!!!
I had one hit a white tail at 60 and stop short of the opposite lung??? But any thing else the have worked great !!!!
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Posted: 1 December 2008 04:32 PM |
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Stefan-49......I can understand your situation with those Barnes Bullets! I have been doing this thing with Barnes Bullets since the mid 90's and there seems to always be something that goes wrong when the hunt takes place using those bullets.
First off I would go back to the reloading bench and make positive you are loading the amount of powder that you intended to load prior to the deer hunt. Also make sure that this powder has NOT gone bad (not likely) but check it out anyway, just get a small newer can of the same powder. You can also check the accuracy once again but that is not the point you were making, I understand.
Now once you have done this again, get yourself some 5 gallon plastic buckets and fill them with water. Then place some old telephone books behind them at 50 yards, so you can catch that Barnes Bullet you just shot.
My experience with those Barnes X bullets and the XLC bullets of the past, is that they Never Opened UP as they should, thus going right on through the animal like a solid bullet would. However, in your case, the bullet should have no doubt broke that deers shoulder. This is why it is important for you to double check your powder amount in the load you used. Good Luck!
I know that Barnes has come out with the newer TSX bullet (Triple Shock) and there are people raving about this bullet also, just like they did the Barnes X bullet and those blue XLC bullets. However, I never got those bullets to open up like they should have in the water tank test I ran in my backyard.
Barnes has given me several boxes of newer TSX bullets but I have NOT yet taken the task of working up loads for all my rifles intended because of prior work load around this place. School is still out on the Barnes Triple Shock Bullet at this house! I will later on see if things have gotten any better with Barnes products. I do know that they put one of the worst reloading manuals on the market a few years ago. I never saw so many mistakes in a reloading manual and I have been buying them since 1966.
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Posted: 3 December 2008 03:40 AM |
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| I used a 150 gr x bullet out of my 270 and dug it out between the meat and skin on the other side of an Elk about 900 lb and it opened up and dropped the Elk.
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Posted: 16 December 2008 02:18 AM |
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| You may also want to contact Barnes and explain what happened. They may very well want to check some of the unfired bullets from your box to make sure they were manufactured correctly. Barnes, like all bullet manufactureres, doesn't want dissatisfaction with shooters as it is certainly not good for business.
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Posted: 8 January 2009 11:51 PM |
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| If I were you I would contact Barnes . I have switched to barnes TSX in all my rifles with nothing but perfect results, only one recovered bullet so far and it was the older XBT 130 7mm and it was perfectly expanded and weighed 129 grains . The shot was on a pronghorn at 306 yards , the bullet entered in the chest(goat was looking at me) and came to rest under the skin in the rump. Every other shot I've taken has ended in a clean one shot kill with outstanding accuracy.I load them in calibers from .25-06 up to 7mm RUM all with perfect performance.
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