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ninchy
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Posted: 23 November 2007 04:40 PM |
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If you have a M65 you should be able to use the heavier bullett.
The 162 GR Hornady has one of the highest coefficiencies of any
bullet. I really wanted to use that one but no way. I use the Lyman 45th edition
Reloading Handbook. It does not have the 162gr, but the 165 specs should be safe.
H450 powder is 59gr to 66 gr. I would try up to 65 gr. Your rifle has a weaker locking system on the Bolt so I would try this load. The accuracy Load is 56 GR IMR 4350.
That will be real safe as it is the minimum for that powder. For the 140gr in my M60 I use the accuracy load. It is the minimum as well and works great. Hope I helped.
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Mike Graham
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Posted: 24 November 2007 04:47 AM |
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Hi Gents,
So I read a lot of the M60 & M65 however I have a M68DP in 7x61 S&H with a 10 in. twist.
Monty stock , fancy wood , ebony tips, any one know what I realy have? Extremly accuret & takes on big game with no problem. It took a moose this year. This rifle would take a lot to part with.
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ninchy
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Posted: 25 November 2007 02:24 PM |
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Hi Mike- You live in my homeland. I come from Trail. We had a summer home in Robson.
Spent a lot of time in Castlegar. Good Place!! How are the transplanted Elk Doing.
Friend of mine from Cranbrook got a monster there this year. Back to the 7x61!!
DUMOLIN made a Model. Is this what you have? It had a 24" Barrel and a 10 twist
and was a great Shooter. I think DUMOLIN was a US Co. They also made Weatherby
Models and did a good job. You should be able to shoot any .284 bullett with no problem. I agree with taking a lot to part with it. I think these rifles are priceless.
Have a good one!!
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Mike Graham
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Posted: 25 November 2007 05:21 PM |
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I Have done a little research. This is a rifle made by shultz & Larson in Denmark.
My take on the rifle is maybe it is a Limited edition or odball. I emailed the shultz & Larson organization and am waiting for information. These are a very intresting breed of rifle.
The Elk is doing to well. They need to open a season around here. The Elk are doing a lot of damage.
Mike
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ninchy
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Posted: 25 November 2007 08:15 PM |
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The Elk caused the same problem in Banff townsite. That is why they were moved from the Park to there.
They were told that when they transplanted them originally, I agree on the season
but you will probably never see one. Please let me know what you find out about the rifle!! I found out the Dumoulin is not US it was made in Herstal Belgium.
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Mike Graham
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Posted: 26 November 2007 03:48 AM |
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I found some old articals on the web. I found out the 68 was the last model of that time piriod. Some improvements, same rifle. I also found out Shultz & Lartsen is still making a hunting rifle. NEET!!! Runs about $2500 on up. It's funny the majority of old articales you read the S&L was created before Weatherby. Weatherby took alot of S&Ls idea's and used them in there designes. I wander what was what?
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ninchy
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Posted: 26 November 2007 04:43 AM |
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Thanks Mike. Good info. The more you look around on the Net.
The more you find.
Take Care
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tup1
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Posted: 28 December 2007 10:11 PM |
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| hello, i am a new member and have interest in schultz and larsen. it is possible that the m68 should most likely be a dl (de luxe) as these were the most commonly imported schultz and larsen models into the usa and canada. according to the blue book of gun values the m60 was from '57-60 (7x61s&h only), the m65 from '60-67 (308 norma, 358 norma and 7x61s&h) and the m68 was in 15 cals, american and eurpoean standards and magnums. the m68dl was imported from 1967 thru mid-80's. carl
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tup1
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Posted: 7 January 2008 06:11 PM |
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| hi, noted you had dies and reload; which dies do you use, any problems?
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Shadd Shooter
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Posted: 8 January 2008 04:58 AM |
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I have used Lyman dies successfully for the 7X61. The only original brass available seems to be Norma. Reloading problems outlined in the book on Schultz and Larsen rifles indicate that if you trim to size every time then you have no further problems with te reloads.
I also have a set of RCBS dies which I haven't tried yet.
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ninchy
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Posted: 8 January 2008 02:44 PM |
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I have an M60 and the only die that works is the LYMAN.
The RCBS is not the right size. RCBS suggested I send
the rifle to them but I am not prepared to do that.
With the Lyman Die I have no problems at all. As far as
trimming I do not overload so I measure the casings
after 3 or 4 firings weather they need it or not.
If you have both Dies, try them both and see which one
works best by chambering the MT casings after you size
them. Hope this helps.
ninchy
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Shadd Shooter
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Posted: 9 January 2008 05:01 PM |
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Hi Mike
Do you have pictures of your Schulz and Larsen rifles? I am particularly interested in looking at detail of the bolt locking mechanism.
Love the rifle and use it regularly.
Shadd
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tup1
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Posted: 9 January 2008 07:48 PM |
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| both are at goonsmiths getting cleaned up; one a blueing, both new pach decellerator recoil pads (old ones function as black rocks but i will retain them), updated scopes (vx2 3-9; b&l 4000 6-24 maybe or another vx2 3-9). have not shot either, mostly a small collector, but these i will use to get back into hunting, see if i enjoy it. once they are back, i will post pics. what do you have, do you reload?
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Mike Graham
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Posted: 10 January 2008 02:00 AM |
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Hi
I do have pictures but don't know how to post them. Help
Mike
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Mike Graham
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Posted: 11 January 2008 08:33 PM |
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If you give me your email. I will send you my pictures.
Mike
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Posted: 14 January 2008 08:12 PM |
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Great thread Guys.
The 7X61 S&H has held my interest ever since I read one of my Grandfathers old Outdoor Life magazines where they trialed it on Mountain Goats in Northern BC.
Growing up in Saskatchewan there was one hunter in our area who owned a Schultz and Larsen 7X61 and he was the local legend!
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Posted: 26 February 2008 05:48 PM |
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Hi guys, I am a new member but an old 7x61 shooter. While stationed in France in the late fifties I bought an new S&L model 60 through our Air Force rod and gun club, 10 boxes of ammo and RCBS reloading equipment for it. We sometimes got invites from the local French hunters to join them on their hunts. They were for the most part market hunters and if you did get something on one of their hunts you could count on being invited back again. If you missed or didn't shoot when they thought you should have you might not be invited again. These were drive hunts with about 20 or so shooters and about that many more beaters. Not what we are used to but " when in Rome" also it was about the only game in town. On the hour or so lunch break between hunts there were always a few showing off their abilities with their favorite rifle. Once I stepped off 200 yards and put a softball sized rock on a post and got a lot of good natured comments on how many shots it would take, etc, etc. My first shot turned it to dust. I never lacked for hunt invitations after that.
I don't recall all the specs now , I am 75, but I think that 7x61 only had a mid range trajectory of about 4 inches at 200 yds and it is fast. as I recall about 4200 fps. According to an article by Phil Sharp I read it is faster than the Rem 7 mm because of the sharper angle on the shoulder which causes more pressure for the same load. After I used up all the factory loads I always used 160gr.nosler partition and loaded to the max. I kept each box of shells together and recorded how many times they were loaded. Most of them have been loaded 10 or more times and I have never had a neck split or any other problem with the brass. All Norma. I did have a trimmer and would trim if necessary.
As for that S&L model 60 I can't imagine a better or smoother or stronger rifle. It was my understanding that they did make actions for Weatherby back then. That 26 inch barrel makes it a big gun compared with some others. That long thin barrel is my only complaint. If you are just out target shooting after about 3 or 4 shots it heats up quite a bit and your groups do spread out.
Happy shooting. Stan
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stefan49
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Posted: 31 August 2008 10:14 PM |
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Hey guyes, I'm new here, just googled 7x61S&H to see what is going on with it. I do have one -custom built on Sako AV action, with Hart stainless tube-and let me tell youuuuu, it' s becoming my favorite rifle/cartridge rig!I shot three whitetails with it , but the performance is awesome! Accuracy is superb, that rifle will print clovers at 100yards.
Yes, it is relatively the same as 7mmRM (got one of those). My 7x61 got Swarovski optics and a McMillan stock, recoil is not a problem.
Favorite loads that this rifle likes:
139gr. Hornady Interlock over 63.7 IMR 4350, Win. Mg Primer
160Gr. Speer G/S over 60Gr. IMR 4350, Win Mag.Primer
160Gr. FailSafe from Nosler with 58GR. IMR4350 and Win.Mag primer.
With exception of some drop of bullet any of these three loads will place 3 cons. shot in a quarter!
One thing---as someone already mentioned- this caliber heats the barrel fast, so be very carefull with cooling between shots!
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Posted: 25 October 2008 08:56 AM |
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Hello. I've been shooting with a 7*61S&H for the last 10 years, and have been loading ammo for it for about 8 years. I have a M65 rifle. Its been a great rifle to shoot with, but i have had a few ammo problems with it. New ammo is impossible to get down this way (I'm in New Zealand), and brass is becoming hard to find.
As such some of my cases have been loaded 15 times. One thing i have noticed is that if i don't soften the brass every 3rd load or so i get cracks in the neck and shoulder. Also once i get past the 12th load or so, some of the cases start to suffer from thinning of the case wall just forward of the belt, and i have had one case head separated completely. I've only come across this with the old brass (head-stamped 7*61S&H) the newer stuff i have (head stamped 7*61 SUPER) seems to be fine.
I recently came across about 200 cases at a gun show, so its not a big problem for me any more, as i can "retire" case's that have done 10 or so loads, but anybody running old brass like i was might want to check for thinning. It was easy enough to check, i used a dental scraper that was flattened a bit to fell along the wall, and you could fell where the wall had thinned.
If any body knows why the cases thin it would be great to hear and explanation, as i have no idea. Cheers
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Posted: 25 October 2008 03:10 PM |
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Jamo, thinning of cases that are reloaded several times is quite common in all calibers-its the stretching and resizing over and over. 10-12 reloads per case is lot of reloading for one case.
Tempering the necks helps a lot, but eventually the lifespan of brass will diminish and cracking etc. will take place. Heating necks will not help separating in belt area at all!
I personally reload one case around 5-6 times and throw it out.It does not make sense to get the case to separate and have it stuck in the chamber!
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