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bea175
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Posted: 18 March 2006 06:31 PM |
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I just watched a hunting video for Muskox and in my opinion this has to be the most un-sportmans type hunting you could waste money on. The animal just stands there and you walk up to 15 yards in the open and shoot one. They had this stupid woman dressed in 1000.00 dollors worth of brand new Gortex hunting garb and she walks up and shoots it,and then it walks around with the arrow sticking out of it for at least 5 min before it finally goes down. The whole time they are telling everyone how mean they are and it is going to charge. Five hunters killed five while they just walked up and shot them. I may be wrong but this just doesn't seem like hunting to me. Has anyone hunted these semi tame animals?
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Posted: 18 March 2006 08:35 PM |
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Shit like that makes me sick bea..That is not hunting. 
Too bad the muskox didn`t charge and gore the **** out of her.Sorry fellas, but I deem that as damned near a canned hunt.
Now if she`d stalked up on a bear or a big boar hog and shot him with a bow,that`d be a different story .But nope,she and the other four should have been ashamed of themselves.It is stuff like that which has given hunters a bad name and it should honestly be stopped...
Just my opinion but I don`t think I`d be proud of my hunt or myself if I was those 5 assholes...
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Posted: 19 March 2006 04:23 PM |
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I totally agree, I watched a show awhile back this guy is out in the frozen tundra and dressed to the hilt because of the cold and walks up to a musk ox no more than 50 feet away and shoots it with a muzzle loader! I thought what a ass hole. Where was the challenge in that! Its shows like that is whats going to give us hunters a bad rap. It might of been more interesting if he would of killed it with a bowie knife. It just isnt right
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Posted: 20 March 2006 04:31 PM |
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I haven't seen that video, but what those "hunters" are doing sounds lame.
Some folks have big ego's and no concept of ethics.
As a very wise sage once said..."Piss on 'em".
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Posted: 20 March 2006 05:48 PM |
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Never seen the video but I'd love to hunt free-ranging muskox. LOVE IT !!! Honestly, there's very few legally huntable animals that I wouldn't mind having a crack at. I wouldn't be hunting with bow of course. I don't know about walking withing 15 yds. either. Is this how it is normally done? I guess if they have no natural enemies where they're living a lil'two legger ain't gonna really be cause for concern. Probably be a handgun thing. That'd be a nice hunt. I guess ya can't always control what the animal does (or doesn't do) and I'm not going to comment on the correctness of the hunting tactics on the video but I am of the thinking that if any free-ranging, legally huntable animal has the choice to run or stand when I'm detected and he chooses to stand his ground, well, it's lights out. I just think the local of these animals makes it kinda out of reach for me right now. I seem to remember a combo hunt Shockley (sp) went on reported in one of the gun mags where he was after muskox and walrus. Strange combo. I guess I don't remember him talking about walking within 15 yds. in the wide open for the shot but I didn't get to deep into what he was doing as muzzleloading crap don't interest me. The animal pics were neat though. >> klallen
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Posted: 20 March 2006 06:42 PM |
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| Muzzleloading CRAP!!! grrrrrrrr
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Posted: 20 March 2006 08:18 PM |
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Yeah blkpwdernut >> After a conversation I had with a feller long, long ago on the original Shooters.com, it'll always be refered to as "muzzleloading crap". Not as a cut towards anyone else who enjoys that corner of the shooting sport or muzzleloaders specifically but moreso in my own rememberance of the fool I was so unfortunate to have met back then.
What started out as an interesting long range hunting conversation (how to, equipment needed, range time required) went horribly wrong after he got involved spreading a noncompromising ideology of a fella who hadn't shot centerfire for years and hadn't seen a shot past 130 yds. for just as long. Basically he was way out of his element with this topic but didn't have the sense to see it and kept flailing away until we tired of him. Kind of a sad display. In his honor, it will always be termed "muzzleloading crap". Maybe I need to forgive 'n forget. I don't know. His greater then thou attitude towards his way of hunting over anyone elses really chapped me and stays with me to this day with regard to muzzleloading. Hence the phrase above.
If it's any consolation, I don't have any love for bow hunting either, but that's another topic ;o) .
Anyway, no disrespect intended. >> klallen
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Posted: 20 March 2006 09:03 PM |
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None taken bud, it is unfortunate that you were jaded towards a truly fun and rewarding form of hunting by one person (not saying that ALL forms of hunting and shooting arent).
I personally enjoy all aspect of muzzleloading, even the cleaning part
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Posted: 20 March 2006 10:19 PM |
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Korey,fully understand where you are coming from bud.I wouldn`t down ya a bit if you chose to really hunt them.I know you well enough over the time we have conversed here and at the BSB to know you would have more respect for the animal than someone who did what bea described.
I have no problems with killing animals.Hell I have enough blood on my hands it would be hypocrisy on my part to ever say that.
I do have a problem with those folks described in the event and how it was done...
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Posted: 21 March 2006 07:44 PM |
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I got curious about muskox hunting and did a google search. There must be a lot of muskox because this outfitter says they have 750 tags each year. They just about guarantee a 100% success rate.
http://www.adventurenw.com/muskox.shtml
Here's an interesting webpage with a slideshow concerning identifying and hunting muskox.
http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.muskox
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Posted: 21 March 2006 07:52 PM |
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| I have not problem with people hunting them . I just don't think i would waste the cash for a hunt, since there is no real challenge in taking a Muskox. I guess some people just like a easy hunt. Other than it being colder than a witchs tit the hunt just looks to easy.
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Posted: 24 March 2006 04:11 AM |
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Latest NRA mag American Hunter arrived today. Article about (of all things) musk ox hunting in the Arctic on pg. 52. I like the intro :
"If you think killing musk ox is about as difficult as dropping one of your local rancher's Holsteins, then you haven't seen the musk ox's Arctic pastures."
Don't necessarily sound like simply killing the animal is the hard part. Getting yourself from the recliner at home into position for the shot sounds like the ball-buster. Someday. >> klallen
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Posted: 24 March 2006 04:34 AM |
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I read the article today. The only hard part is they live where it is very cold.
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Posted: 5 April 2006 05:27 AM |
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I saw the show a week or two ago. That's not what I call hunting. Where's the challenge, where's the sport? There's no respect there.
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Posted: 14 August 2006 06:36 AM |
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I think the guides should make the hunters go butt ass naked in the artic. That would put a little more sport into it.
seriously, they must see so few humans that they have no fear of them. That or they are just stupid. Either way, I have no interest in killing anything that either does not fear me or wants to kill me.
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Posted: 14 August 2006 12:11 PM |
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| Muskox form a defensive ring when they feel threatened, males outside, females inside ring and calves in the inner circle, this works great if your defending against four legged predators, but if the hunter has a rifle or a bow, your done! also with you guys see no point in hunting muskox, I think it should be restricted to spears, and they can't be thrown! or in order to kill a muskox, you are first required to take a grizzly using the same method!
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Posted: 14 August 2006 05:40 PM |
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Fine, but they still have to wear only a loincloth, ala the Nuge 
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Posted: 16 August 2006 02:11 PM |
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Fellas I'm kinda split on this one.
One the one hand, watching some LL Bean chick walk up to a herd of muskox and blast it with a firearm or stick it with an arrow just doesn't seem right even if they are free ranging in parts of the arctic where muskox may never have seen a human being before. This put on tape reminds me of a drive-by shooting.
On the other hand, maybe that's just what muskox hunting may be like. They may be so big and in locations so remote they have no knowledge or fear of man. I don't honestly know diddly about muskox. And though the video makes it seem awfully easy and unattractive to me, I'm like klallen and would like the option to hunt them if the opportunity came along.
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Posted: 18 August 2006 12:03 PM |
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I don't know if I would hunt one but I have to admit that I would truly like to go and see an animal that is so removed from human presence that when one walks up on it, it just stands there not sure of what you are. Nowdays pretty much everything that is hunted is so aware of human presence that it either runs with the first hint of us or is tame to the point of cattle. Just a thought on my part.
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Posted: 22 August 2006 02:09 AM |
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A friend who worked for Alaska fish and game had the job of taking care of some captive musk ox said they were very docile, very shaggy little goats whose foreward curving horns were at the exact height of the human groin.
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