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Has anyone tried the 200 gr Nosler Part in the 30-06 for hunting ELK and what kind of performance did you get? 
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I have never tried it on elk but have used it on big northern whitetails with great success. I have also seen black bear that were shot with it and you could see the damage it did. Many outfitters like this combo on elk. If I'm not mistaken, I believe 'Saddlesore' likes to use the -06 with 200 or 220gr. Nos. Part. It would be my choice if I was fortunate enough to go on an elk hunt. Mainly because I don't own a .300 mag. 
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A 200 grainer, PT sure isn't required for elk. Maybe an 180 gr. The 200 gr bullet is designed for 300 mag or so
I use good old standard 220 gr Sierra RN, pushed with H4831 powder in my .06 Featherweight. About 57 gr. work up to this lead , it is hot.
I have probbaly shot 15 elk with it, from 15 yds to + 400 yds ( I lasered that yardage) with the 220 gr RN. All one shot kills. Bang , flop
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| Posted: Sat Mar 25th, 2006 03:21 PM |
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My buddy that hunts with me, shot a bull at about 150 yards standing broadside with his 300 WM and the Seirra 200 gr SBT, four times right behind the shoulder and was believing he was missing it. The bull had no reaction to the shots and just walked off over the hill. We went after it and it was down about fifty yards from the place he shot it. Typical elk reaction after being shot behind the shoulder and no bones broken. I would guess any 200 gr 30 cal bullet will work on Elk at 30-06 vel .
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saddlesore wrote: A 200 grainer, PT sure isn't required for elk. Maybe an 180 gr. The 200 gr bullet is designed for 300 mag or so
I use good old standard 220 gr Sierra RN, pushed with H4831 powder in my .06 Featherweight. About 57 gr. work up to this lead , it is hot.
I have probbaly shot 15 elk with it, from 15 yds to + 400 yds ( I lasered that yardage) with the 220 gr RN. All one shot kills. Bang , flop
180s would work fine, I use 180 and 220 in my Rum for elk and bear.
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I have been using the Speer 180gr magnum mag-tip bullets in my 30-06 for many years now and its recomended for moose and elk in the speer book. We have shot blackbear with this round too. My brother using my bullets hit a bear in the neck and the bullet blew apart as it hit the bone i guess and it cut all the main arteries in the neck and it bled out right on the spot. When we looked inside the throat it appeared to look like the bullet went around the neck like a marble in a coffee can and took out everything in its path i know it didn't but it sure looked that way and bad too. Since that day i have more respect for the old '06 too. I have stuck with the speer 180gr magnum mag tips since the 70's when i started reloading and i think there called 180gr magnum hot cores now or something similair but its the same flat nose 180gr bullet it was back then. I'm using 55grs of IMR 4350 behind it.
Lately they offer a lot of 168grs for the 30cal guns but i'm not sure of the performance of them i never shot them yet. If there going a tad faster the performance maybe a tad better i'm not sure but sometimes as we know the heavier isn't always the better too. I do like the overall performance of the 180grs in the '06.
I hunt mainly big game with my 338win.mag i'm not built for runnin nor speed. I have found out the 225grs in the 338win.mag. are an excellent performer too. I always wanted a 300win.mag. but just never got around to getting one yet.
I hope to go moose hunting soon and i'm not sure what caliber to take yet i'm not sure if an american caliber or a military caliber will have the bragging rights when i'm done. Either way moose and venison sausage is yumming it sure does eat good!!
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I have killed a couple of cow elk with the 30-06 and the 165 gr Nosler Part and they when right down . I believe with elk the 180 or 200 will prove to be the better choice.
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Have a friend who loves the 200 gr Nosler in the '06. He has killed a couple of Elk and a Nilghai (spelling?) with that load as well as large boar in Australia and some plains game in Africa.
He admits it is not a .338 or a .375 but that for thin skinned game it sure has the penetration and expansion and in .30 caliber it is as good as it gets. He prefers it over other bullets in the .30 caliber magnums (but I have not talked to him since X bullets, Fail Safes and a few other designs became popular).
His load pushes 2750 fps in a 24" barrel using IMR-4350. I managed to duplicate the load in my Weatherby Vanguard and Springfield but I ended up settling for 2650 on the theory that I would rather not have extreme climatic conditions cause a malfunction - 2750 is right at the pressure limit!
I really like this bullet but I have to admit that When I went on my own elk hunt I took a .35 Whelen (loaned my .338 to my hunting buddy who had borrowed it to kill two elk on trips I did not take - he used my handloads with 210gr Nosler partitions).
Next time it will probably be my Steyr carbine in .376 Steyr since it is short handy and carries enough bullet.
While my 30-06s dont get used much, I have to admit. If I had to get by with only one centerfire rilfe it would be a 30-06 and the 200 gr Nolser would be one of the bullets I would use for the hearvier stuff.
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The .06 just doesn't push the heavy bullets fast enough to warrant a partition. The reason to go to partaition or for that fact any premium bullets in an .06 is to drop down into the 150-165 gr weight class and have the bullet hold together.
Mnny o fthe younger hunters want that. Howver, a heavy slow moving bullet always kills faster than a faster ligter bullet
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Im with you on that, if seen the '06 doing its thing with 200 and even 220gr conventional bullets, and they did splendidly. ( i dont have a '06 myself)
Im still trying to get used to the latest 'advances' in bullet technology, as ive always sticked to the heavier conventional ones, and they served me well.
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While I have loaded and shot several of the Nosler 200s, I have to admit, I am not sure just how they behave in flesh.
The friend I mentioned who shot an 800 lb Nilghai said that went completely through the shoulders. I am not sure a conventional 200 gr bullet would have done that if it kept its big diameter but this is just one case. I think he was under the impression that the Nosler behaved in normal fashion, blowing the nose off but, since he did not recover it, one could only guess. OTOH, he shot several critters in Austraila and Africa with the Nosler 300 gr .375 - that one did not behave in normal fashion, but rather like a Swift A-frame.
I have shot a few deer with conventional 200 gr bullets in .308 loaded to 2500 fps - they worked fine on them but I guess the biggest one dressed 150 lbs or so.
When I lived in a place where you could shoot 50 deer a year, I saw a lot of failures to stop quickly with the .300 Win. Mag. (by no means the majority but just an alarmingly high %). I suspect most of them were bacuase folks were driving light bullets of standard construction too fast. As mentioned in the above post, the 30-06 is less likely to have that problem though I have dug out a lot of 150 gr Core Lockts that penetrated around 6" in thin skinned critters.
Just ramblin,
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I shot my elk with my 30.06 using a 180gr winchester silver tip. he was standing broadside to me on the side of a mountain 450yds away, bullet went in just forward of his shoulders, under his spine, he dropped and was dead before he hit the ground, course he slid about 40yds down hill! took home 450lbs of elk meat, best meat I've ever eaten!
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My last count of dead elk was somewhere above 35. My memory is getting used up, so there migt have been more. Only about three of them were with Nosler partitions, one was with an old Remington Bronze point out of a .308, two were with 45-70, one with 44 mag carbine. A few with 7mag and 165 Gr Sierra, a few with 50 cal muzzle loader. The rest have been predominately with an .06, 220 gr Sierra Round noses with a few sprinkled in with 180 gr Sierra game Kings, all distances from 10yds to + 400 have been encountered. The .06 with plain old ordinary bullets will do it all Last edited on Fri Jul 14th, 2006 01:59 PM by saddlesore
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I only know of one gunwriter that advocates the 200gr partition.
Most of the 06 shooters I know use either a 165 or 180 gr bullet, none of them a "premium"
Myself I've had great results on a dozen elk with hornady's 165gr bt interloc.
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I've used the Nosler 200 gr partition exclusively in my 30-06's for black bear and whitetail deer in Minnesota the past 15 years?
I used to think it was the cats meow. I wanted it to go up the poop chute and out the mouth if it had to. It will drive through the animal approximately 30 inches plus depending on what it hits.
I'm going to try Sierra 220 gr round nose though in a couple of the 30-06's and compare notes the next 5 years. There just seems to be times the 200 gr Nosler Partition did strange things. Certainly in my Browning A-Bolt I don't think the two do well together.
Having said that I will be using up the last of my Nosler Partitions this year and try to take at least one of the deer with the Sierra.
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bea175, all though I am a new guy to this forum, and have not shot amny elk considering others at over 30, I have brought down 8 myself, and watched friends bring down 12 on different trip. I have used my 06, a 300 win mag, and my 338 win. I have seen my friends use the same plus 270 win, 375 h&h, 300 h&h, 243 win and 308. From my experience, it all depended on were the elk was shot, more than the caliber for the most part. I used 165 and 180 A-Frames, and also 180 Partitions and two 180 x-bullets. Others used, Core-Lokts, FailSafes and Ballistic Tips. All the elk were dead within seconds, and did not seem to care much about caliber or bullet. I would say that if you want an any angle shot, that is were the creme is separated out. Only the best bullets will hit massive bone and muscle and continue to plow through. In my mind, I think it comes down to what you leave home with and are most confident in making a good shot. Alot can be said for having complete faith in your rig and ammo! If you have doubts about your bullet making a clean kill, it will always be in the back of your mind! My belief is contrary to some who favor magnums, but I think the 06 with a good to great bullet is all I ever need to drop a big bull within 300 yards. Just my opinion, and you know the saying 'bout that. Get a good accurate load and have faith in your shots, and enjoy the hunt in beautiful country. Best fo luck!
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I have not loaded a 200-gr for 30-06 although I had some factory 220-gr once that where round nose given to me by a guy who had lived in Alaska.
I was thinking myself of looking into the new Barnes Tripple Shock using a 165-gr, I really don't think anything else will be required using that bullet.
But using a quality bullet of another manufacture I think a 180-gr is the max that I would go. Living here in Montana, I haven't found many 30-06 hunters using more than that for elk and moose. Most I know I still using a 165-gr bullet though.
Its all in your flavor of what you want. If you want to load a 200-gr bullet do so, and then if you are successful in your harvesting please post a picture and range you shot your havested kill at.
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I have shot well over 30 Elk, about half of these with the 30-06 and the 180 and 200 Partitions. I like the 200 for the great penetration. In a 24" 30-06 it is possible to get 2700+ with that big Partition, and while it is not necessary to use a Partition in the 30-06, no one should discourage you from using it if you want to do so. The 180 seems to kill as well, but more of them will stay inside an elk than will the 200's, which most often will exit In my experience. Don't worry about the 200 failing to expand, it will do just fine, right out to 400+ yards. Most 30-06's shoot the 200 Partition well, my own 30-06's, one a 700 with a 24" barrel, and one a 721 with the same length tube, shoot these bullets into an inch or less at 100 yards. Regards, Eagleye.
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Last Nov I used a handloaded 180gr Nosler Accubond in my Sako 300wm would've done the job except I fell coming off of a ridge with my Leupold Scope taking a real wack knocking out the erectors destroying the accuracy.Did get my young cow elk though.The fall caused me a few problems corrected by back surgery.A friend of mine uses 165gr Nosler Solid Base Bullets in his 300 weatherby for elk,it drops the cows,he only shot one bull and that was enough as they're rank after breeding season and taste terrible per my friend. Last edited on Wed Aug 1st, 2007 05:06 AM by sako06
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sako06 wrote: Last Nov I used a handloaded 180gr Nosler Accubond in my Sako 300wm would've done the job except I fell coming off of a ridge with my Leupold Scope taking a real wack knocking out the erectors destroying the accuracy.
A perfect example of why i always take a extra scope with me when i go to Colorado on my Elk hunts.
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