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Posted: 5 December 2007 02:34 AM |
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I was thinking of going to one of the places that has hunts. I have favorite .308 rifle. Will this one be enough to do the jobs, or do I need to upgrade?
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wolfkill
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Posted: 5 December 2007 06:59 AM |
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Your talking American buffalo right...weigh close to 1000 pounds some of them?
I'm make sure it was a premium bullet and at least start the bullet directly into the lungs.
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Posted: 5 December 2007 10:51 AM |
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| i am planning on taking one this winter with a 44mag. a 180 gr tough bullet ought to do the job with little to be desired in the 308.
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Posted: 6 December 2007 01:44 AM |
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American Buffalo had almost been deleted from the planet by pioneers with slow moving black powder cartridges. Don't see why any animal could possibly be safe from well placed bullets at a high velocity?
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Posted: 6 December 2007 05:44 AM |
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You should not have any trouble in taking down a Bison with a .308 caliber rifle loaded up with premium bullets in the 180 grain weight. I personally would get up within the 150 to 200 yard marker (under 200 yards if possible) and pull the trigger on that beast. You will want to stay off the shoulder and put that bullet behind the shoulder 1/3 the way up from the brisket OK. Good Hunting! Last edited on 6 December 2007 05:45 AM by Hi Ball
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Posted: 6 December 2007 01:49 PM |
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180 grain premium bullet.I would recomend a controlled expansion bullet..As stated by hiball,right behind the shoulder in his blood pump and you`ll see a dead buffalo mighty quick. A 308 Winchester is plenty for most North American game with a good shot behind it.I wouldn`t hesitate to use one in Africa as well for all but the biggest meanest critters.Elephant,Cape Buff,Rhino etc..But lions,zebra on down..No doubts with putting my bullet on my mark,dead game.
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Posted: 7 December 2007 12:21 AM |
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Timberghozt....I think perhaps you might have a talk with PHIL, when it comes to using a .308 caliber for Lion or anything above the weight of a Zebra, those African species are somewhat tuffer in giving up the ghost than a Bison.
Then again there is just the idea of carrying a .308 in an area where you just might come upon something you wish your had more, a lot more in some cases, rifle. This happened to yours truely once upon a time and I never carried anything lighter than a .338 win mag after said occurance. Something like "Better to have it and NOT need it, than to Need it and not have it".
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Posted: 7 December 2007 12:32 AM |
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| 180 gr Nosler Part in your 308 and don't look back. Handle anything that won't try to eat you.
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Posted: 7 December 2007 05:23 AM |
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Rather then take a minimalist attitude towards buffalo hunting, I'd use the opportunity of hunting one of these large bodied animals as a testing ground for a large cartridge and large bullet. After all, you don't generally get the opportunity to hunt an animal with that kind of mass on a regular basis. Least, I don't.
I watched a promotional video put out by the White Elk Ranch in Nebraska. There was a buffalo hunt on there recorded where the hunter was using a .30-378, took several shots, and looked to put each and every shot right where it needed to be, just behind shoulder. Lungs are just so large on these animals, it took forever for it to bleed out. Not like deer, where ya punch lung with one bullet and 30 yds. or 15 seconds later the animal is down. It took so long I actually started feeling sorry for the creature.
Regarding the fella above planning to use his .44 RemMag on an upcoming buffalo hunt. If I were into handguns (and I am) , I like that idea. I'd much rather use my .44 RemMag on buffalo then a .308. With a quality cast bullet, it'd penetrate deeper and leave a bigger hole. One of the ranches in Oklahoma I'm trying to get to sent up this pic from his web site :
As of my last communication with the ranch owner, he's there for the taking. In excess of 2000 lbs and quite a grumpy fella, from all accounts. If sticking with handguns, he looks like a prime candidate for my .454 Casull and a 395 gr. LBT solid or the .500 S&WMag and a 500 gr. WFN. Rifles? It sure wouldn't be a .308. I'd opt for the STA or even enjoy seeing what the 370 gr. North Fork's from the .416 RemMag do.
Course, that's just me. Look forward to hearing how your hunt goes. >> korey
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Posted: 7 December 2007 08:50 AM |
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Hi Ball wrote: Timberghozt....I think perhaps you might have a talk with PHIL, when it comes to using a .308 caliber for Lion or anything above the weight of a Zebra, those African species are somewhat tuffer in giving up the ghost than a Bison.
Then again there is just the idea of carrying a .308 in an area where you just might come upon something you wish your had more, a lot more in some cases, rifle. This happened to yours truely once upon a time and I never carried anything lighter than a .338 win mag after said occurance. Something like "Better to have it and NOT need it, than to Need it and not have it".
Hi Ball,I hear you.African species are a totally different ball game.As far as Bison,I have a pretty nice 45-70 that shoots like a champ.I think I`d use it and a 405 grain bullet myself for em.
As far as Africa,I`d use my 308 IF it was all I had.Personally though, a 340 Weatherby mag would most likely make a addition to my gun cabinet,along with a 375 h&h and a 458Lott.
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Posted: 7 December 2007 12:22 PM |
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Morning Gene. I like the sounds of your .45-70 and the 405's so much more then a .308 . Just something about a 180 slow-boating along from the .308 that don't sound right for big buffalo. Won't argue the fact that the little short-action round would or could eventually get the job done, but still. Again, this is just a personal feeling and I see it definitely goes against the general thinking of the string but ..........................
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Posted: 7 December 2007 01:06 PM |
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| i wish i had a chance to bag a bull,like the one in the picture.however i am only culling for a coworker and will be taking a 1000 lb or so animal.i also was thinking of using a marlin 1894 in 44 mag with a full power load and 250 k hardcast.i have a sbh but i am not so sure about using it.
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Posted: 7 December 2007 02:56 PM |
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klallen wrote: Morning Gene. I like the sounds of your .45-70 and the 405's so much more then a .308 . Just something about a 180 slow-boating along from the .308 that don't sound right for big buffalo. Won't argue the fact that the little short-action round would or could eventually get the job done, but still. Again, this is just a personal feeling and I see it definitely goes against the general thinking of the string but ..........................
Roger that Korey..I think the ole 45-70GOVT would be a more appropriate choice.Thats a big critter in that pic.While I think the 308 can do it,I know 405 grains of bullet from my 45-70 would end the thing quickly with a boiler maker shot.
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Posted: 7 December 2007 02:57 PM |
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Timberghozht we seem to be on the same page after all...!!!
I use a 2 gun battery for Africa, a .338 Win mag with TBBC bullets and a Rem. 416 mag using Swift A Frames or Woodleighs.
I also like the nostalgic idea of hunting Bison with a caliber using a big bullet. I have a 45-70 in a 1895 Marlin but favor a 32 inch barrel 45-110 Taylor for (look alike Sharps) my buffalo hunting out on the plains.
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Posted: 30 January 2008 10:49 PM |
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A 45-70 with a 500 grain cast bullet will out perform anything you can chuck at a buffalo with a .308 . A big cast bullet will probably pass through the front shoulders as where the .308 would not. Why risk it when there are better choices......
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Posted: 31 January 2008 12:34 AM |
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| i wouldnt feel a bit under gunned with a 308 loaded to 2600 fps and a 180 gr swift a-frame.penetration is what you want.the big heavy slow bullets will give back change.
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Posted: 31 January 2008 07:11 PM |
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Wheezengineerser.....I am postivie one could take a bull bison with a .308! However, why would a person want to really? I am old school in that thought and a bit nastogic when it comes to hunting "Bison" on the plains. I am also quite sure that I could eventually kill one with my 25-06 but why give such things a pinch of salt?
I have talked to several guides and ranchers in the past, who had clients come out with all kinds of caliber's to hunt down the bison with but some got an education very quickly after the third shot went off and the bison was still not grounded for keeps. One should always use enough gun and why way of thinking, as far as bison are concerned, are big heavy hard cast bullets with or without sabots. Just my 2 cents worth fella's. 
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Posted: 31 January 2008 09:07 PM |
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| well,i would prefer a big slow movin hunk of lead as well.however,the thread topic was is the 308 enough? with the right bullet,yes.doesnt mean it is the best.
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Posted: 12 February 2008 02:06 AM |
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| I shot a buffalo once that we got from a farmer, he said the first time time he shot one it took 8 shots. I asked him what he shot it with and he said a 308. My first one went down with one shot. 325wsm through the skull down and out. We skinned out the skull after and the biggest piece left was about 2 inches.
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