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Bloodtrails
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Posted: 1 February 2008 10:49 PM |
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I'm going on my first Black Bear hunt in Newfoundland this June. I plan on bringing my .300 Win Mag and want to start loading and testing rounds soon. Any suggestions on bullet type and weight ??? In my loading cabinet I have some left over Sierra Game King 165 HPBT, 180 SP, 200 SP, Nosler Partion 180, Hornady 165 and 180 Interlock from previous Caribou and Moose hunts.
My buddy swears up and down that I should bring my 1100 with copper soilds......any thoughts on that ????
Other then that I own a .243 and my good'ole .30/.30. Not bringing those though.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts and opinions.
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wolfkill
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Posted: 3 February 2008 03:31 AM |
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Any would be OK but you would know better than me about what happens to your bullets in close.
Placement is the key. I am not a shoulder man. I am a lung man behind the shoulder. That conversation can get heated with bear hunters. Some camps including guides swear by one or the other shot. I was amazed when I brought the subject up on a diff forum regarding placement.
http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,122268.0.html
Now I see one of the members is attempting to bring the subject up again in a PART 2 version that his shoulder shot is the best. I will admit I tried to be open and researched why the shot worked (sometimes) and I discovered it is because of spinal cord shock or that you've somehow (magically) hit both scapula shoulder blades which would have to be lined up perfectly. The bear would have to be broadside.
I guess I getting pissed off again just discussing the subject (a dog returns to it's vomit) and I'm going to PM some people PART 2 is back with the same old argument and no new material.
If I were choosing Bloodtrials from your bullets listed I'd take the Partition 180 grain because I have used it on bear. The past decade Iv'ed used 200 grain Partition in 30-06 and recently swithced to Sierra 220 grain SP.
I'm also a bigger is better fan .
I did put a half hour into this post last night with lot's more pictures and stuff only to have it get lost in cyberspace. I never learn to "copy" before hitting send 
Another reason I'm pissed sorry dude.
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Bloodtrails
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Posted: 3 February 2008 04:29 PM |
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| I used the 180 Partitions on Moose with good success and I used the Sierra 165 HPBT on Caribou and Whitetail with good success. I already have accurate rounds worked up for both. I have no doubt both would put down a Black Bear but I've never killed a Black Bear........yet ! Although, as you said and a few other guys I've talked to, bigger is better. I've been told you want to throw the heaviest bullet possible because Black Bear don't bleed all that well and you want to put a big hole in them !!! I'm trying not to over think this but I still have 4 months to go before the hunt and want to have the best round possible for Black Bear.
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Posted: 3 February 2008 07:09 PM |
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The only Bear i have killed was with my 280 Ack Imp . I was using the Speer Hot Core 160 gr Spt pushes with Hod 4831. The shot was about 125 yards . The bullet broke both shoulders with complete pass through and the bear dropped in it track and only kicked maybe one time, i guess you could say he was stone dead when i walked up to him. I don't believe you need premium bullets as long as you use the heavier bullets per cal rifle you chose to use to hunt them with. If i had to bet i would say more Black Bear have been taken with the good old 30-30 and 35 Rem and standard bullets than all the other cal's bunched together .
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Posted: 8 February 2008 01:03 AM |
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Bloodtrails the only advice I will give you in bullet weight is 200 or the 220 weight for black bears! Why you might ask? Well, this will cover all the bases, when it comes to getting a crack at a very big black bear, say weighing out at 450-lbs or more. Those types need a heavier bullet simply put.
I have hunted with hunters in the past, who thought just any old bullet would do, after all they shot a 10 point buck the season before with the same rifle and bullet etc. One never knows just what kind of a bear you will come across. I suggest to be prepared in having enough gun (300 Win mag is plenty) and 200 or 220 grain Nosler Partitions or Trophy Bonded Bear Claw Bullets for the best penetration. Bears seldom leave much of a blood trail, as their coat holds blood like a sponge. Good Luck!
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skoalman1
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Posted: 8 February 2008 01:41 AM |
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| I see you have interlocks mentioned,I like those bullets in my 30 cal.particularly that 165 grain.if your rifle shoots them well i would takem. a good shot and your in business with no matter what you pick though. seen black bear killed with much smaller rifles than mentioned.take your favorite most comfortable load and go with it.
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Posted: 3 March 2008 03:51 AM |
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I have used many different calibers and bullet weights for black bears. I have taken lots with the 250 Savage,but I got close enough to make a good shot. The 7 mag is more forgiving because of the extra horsepower and heavier bullets. A .270 makes short work of bears as well as the 30-06 and .308 class of calibers. My son is going on his first bear hunt this spring, I asked him what he wanted to bring as far as rifles and calibers. He has a choice of the 300 Win mag shooting 190 grain BTSP bullets, or his Remington 7x57 Mauser loaded up to modern velocities shooting 150 Nosler's. There is a modern loaded 8x57 and a .308 Win. We talked about it for awhile and he decided that the 300 would be better to get the first one because of the bigger bullets and the added power of the 300 mag. He decided on the 300 for his first bear, he just turned 15....smart kid.
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wolfkill
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Posted: 3 March 2008 05:04 AM |
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8x57JS wrote: Remington 7x57 Mauser loaded up to modern velocities shooting 150 Nosler's.
Not the Ballistic tips...the Partitions right? I'm sure you know but just in case someone else doesn't the Ballistic tip will pretty much just blow up on a bear in close. In my early reloading days I literally had the core seperate from the jacket.
Good heavy premium bullets is what Yogi prefers.
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Posted: 3 March 2008 05:38 AM |
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wolfkill wrote: 8x57JS wrote: Remington 7x57 Mauser loaded up to modern velocities shooting 150 Nosler's.
Not the Ballistic tips...the Partitions right? I'm sure you know but just in case someone else doesn't the Ballistic tip will pretty much just blow up on a bear in close. In my early reloading days I literally had the core seperate from the jacket.
Good heavy premium bullets is what Yogi prefers.
The 7x57 shoots the Nosler Solid Base bullets very well,but the 300 mag will be going into the field first.
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Posted: 4 March 2008 06:02 PM |
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| A friend of mine used ballistic tips on a PA bruin last season and they didn't anchor it in fact the bullets disintegrated w/o penetrating ,he finally was able to kill it ,he has always used partitions with success There are 180gr 308 nosler partition factory seconds for sale on http://www.shootersproshop.com also go to http://www.nosler.com and check for seconds last saturday there were lots of 2nds for sale in all calibers but within a couple of hours they were sold,before buying blems I checked with nosler techs learning they hunt with the blems.I've been buying from the shooters pro shop for several years and have a supply of different weight bullets for my 45-70,30-06,300wm,243 rifles. Last edited on 4 March 2008 06:29 PM by sako06
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steel13
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Posted: 7 March 2008 07:09 AM |
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A pic of me and the bear shot last year with a Herters U-9 in 243 loaded with 90 grain rem core-loc factory ammo. I hit it directly in the shoulder, in spun around once and dropped .
Just like any other game, it's all shot placement.
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Posted: 7 March 2008 07:10 AM |
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Posted: 7 March 2008 02:29 PM |
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STEEL-13, Ya Don't Say!.......Ummmmmmm, guess I'll just get rid of my Bar Guns!!! I'll just pack along my varmint/predator rifle insteah hey.
Bloodtrials, getting back to your post, and what you have available on the shelf to use, I would grab those 180 Nosler Partitions, then go kill your bear. You are good to go!
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Posted: 8 March 2008 04:05 AM |
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steel - those herters rifles are something else, aren't they? i've got a J9 in .308 and wouldn't trade it for anything
if you're having trouble posting the pic, you can try hosting it at http://www.baitshopboyz.com and then using the hosted web address to post it here? it should work.
as for a good bullet for black bear, i've never hunted them, but i would want a heavy-for-caliber bullet with a soft or round nose. those pills seem to be real bone crushers that expand and penetrate well.
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Posted: 8 March 2008 12:49 PM |
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| Well, I loaded up some 180 gr. Nosler Partitions W/RL22 and Sierra Game King 200 gr. SP's W/IMR 4350...........just waiting for some decent weather so I can head out to the range. In the mean time I think I'll pick up some big'ole round nose bullets and load them up too. I figure what the heck, load everything. I need some serious trigger time anyway, haven't pulled a trigger since November.
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Posted: 11 March 2008 09:21 PM |
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here in va. their are bear hunters then there are deer hunters. i fall into the deer hunter guys...if i ever stumble onto a bear...without a doubt it will be a 139gr. sst light magnum out of my 7mm-08. if by chance i get attacked by a black bear while bow hunting or muzle loader hunting and things go bad for me he will get 200gr.xtp double tap ammo from my g20.
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Posted: 11 March 2008 11:01 PM |
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In washington state,we can't carry any firearm while bowhunting, not even our cwp carry guns.
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Posted: 12 March 2008 12:52 AM |
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| Without starting a big arguement , I vote for the HORNADY bullets, In my 7 MM Rem Mag I have collected Mule Deer, Blacktail Deer, White tail Deer, One Black Bear, and one Shiras Moose and one really nice Bull Elk with the hornady 162 BTSP. I have absolutely no problem with "premium" bullets", but i have done very well the Hornadys. .....Just my two cents worth
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Posted: 12 March 2008 11:20 AM |
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steel13 wrote: In washington state,we can't carry any firearm while bowhunting, not even our cwp carry guns.
here in va.if you have a concealed carry permit you can legally carry while archery or muzzleloader hunting,they made the change last year.
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Posted: 17 March 2008 05:45 AM |
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boonyrat wrote: steel13 wrote: In washington state,we can't carry any firearm while bowhunting, not even our cwp carry guns.
here in va.if you have a concealed carry permit you can legally carry while archery or muzzleloader hunting,they made the change last year. I heard that they were considering changing that ruling in our state as well, due to a few hunters getting chased off there kills by some one better armed............ BASTARDS!
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