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i think 375 ammo is more like 4 bucks a round. 300 is 2-250 but reload for about half that. what ultra mag cost?
you did good on the RUM for the price. im not a big guy at 160# so the recoil is not fun for me. my 300 hh is a pleasure to shoot and should be even better when i get it back.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16th, 2009 08:28 PM |
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I am loading the 300 RUM with some Norma Magnum Rifle powder that I bought a while ago. The cans have stayed factory sealed and I can see no deterioration. Plus I have loaded other rounds with this powder. When I open a can, especially for the magnum cartridges, I load until the can is empty, that is easy when reloading magnum rounds.
I paid $3 a pound for it.
Bullets, I am still working off of a supply that I bought in 89. For an example, I am down to my last 20 boxes of Sierra 308 168gr HPBTs and I have maybe 30 boxes of 55 gr 223s. The newer bullets I buy for hunting are Barnes that I try to buy a large quantity when they are on sale. In the RUM, cast bullets are an option for lower velocities, but not for the 3,500 fps you can get with some of the factory bullets when reloading.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16th, 2009 09:46 PM |
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in looking at the energy of the rum and the 375 they are very similar? but i would think that bigger bore should make a bigger hole? RUM would be a better choice further out.
all of the elk hunters i have guided to kills have made shots at under 100 yards.
kinda funny i never shot one myself...YET
just compared the 308 norma to the 300 H&H and they are virtually identical as far as velocity and energy... not too bad for a caliber that approaching 100 years old!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16th, 2009 10:14 PM |
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flyguyskt,
I do an amazing amount of 100 plus yard hunting, here in Ohio for varmits and on my property in West Virginia, I do 175 to 300 yard shoots for deer. In Ohio, I can't deer hunt with "modern rifle", but in West Virginia I have 110 acres on the side of a mountain that is really target rich in game. Plus if I miss when I am shooting down hill in ends up in the ground or in Pennsylvania in the ground. :)
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17th, 2009 05:51 PM |
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i am looking AT A MODEL 700 .375 H & H right now actually as i want to have a big sister to the 300 H&H...
it is the SPS-DG model with plastic stock and adjustable trigger. i would quickly change the stock out to a AI old english walnut that i have.
do you think this would be too much gun for antelope? LOL
i dont eat em anyway...i just give the stinking little critters to friends who thank me and love me for it!
how much damage would a 270 grn bullet moving 2700fps do to the shoulder of a 90 pound goat at 200 yrds?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17th, 2009 07:04 PM |
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The goat may be cut in half if you hit it. Depending on the bullet, it may not get full expansion and pass thru the goat without much of a wound channel or it may get full expansion and blow the other side of the goat away.
You have to try it and let us know what happens.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17th, 2009 10:43 PM |
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flyguyskt wrote: ihow much damage would a 270 grn bullet moving 2700fps do to the shoulder of a 90 pound goat at 200 yrds?
Judging from past experience, not very damn much.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18th, 2009 01:41 AM |
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My san carlos apache indian guide buys his 130gr 270 ammo at wall mart which he uses to drop elk on the rez with neck shots.
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.30-'06, 180 grain bullet, about 2500 - 2600 fps.
The '06 is an extremely versatile cartridge, which is why I don't have a safe full of other calibers for North American big game. Not that other calibers aren't wonderful hunting platforms - it's just that I already have the Model 70 in '06 and it's been an excellent performer.
Except polar bear (and perhaps Alaskan moose, brown bear and/or gizzly), I'm pretty confident in the '06, loaded correctly, to get the job done on anything I might go after out in the piney woods. It has thus far.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18th, 2009 11:18 PM |
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When I went hunting in northern Canada, my guide used a 303 Brit for almost all of his game hunting, including the bigger critters. The right bullet and having the skill to use it really counts.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 03:28 PM |
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i would say the actual answer would have to be...whatever your state allows you to hunt with!
opinions are like ....... everyone has one. is there one allround elk gun NO.
different scenarios require different equipment...you dont use a sledge to pound in finish nails or a ballpeen to bust up concrete.
i simply like to have choices in my arsenal to fit my mood...wanna slam an elk down get a 375 or a weatherby 340 and learn how to shoot it!
anything 270 or over is fine.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 12th, 2009 03:13 AM |
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In my book the old 06 with a good 180-200 grain bullet is a pretty good choice for something shootable in a rifle that aint too heavy or too long and it is pretty easy to shoot for most poeple. I like the 35 Whelen with 250's shoots about as flat as the 06 out to 300 yards with proper hand loads. Makes a bigger hole and delivers more smack than the 06. I really like the 300 Win with 200's has the reach has lots of power and right at my limit for recoil in a rifle that does not need wheels to transport it while hunting. My pal has a .338 ultra that has yet to be shot and he is itching to get out and shoot some paper. His fave rifle right now is a 30-378 but I think the 338 ultra will take that spot once he gets to playing with his. Perhaps he will not like it and I will be able to get my hands on it IMO it is probably the best of the Rem ultras too bad it has to be MB'd to make it somewhat more "loving for some of us"
If I was to pick as the header in this says "The ultimate elk cartridge" I would pick the .338 Ultra loaded to the nuts with premium 250's for out to 400 yards at least in experienced hands and beyond that for a pro. In the right rifle with a serious trigger operator and a 300 grain SMK pushed to the edge of it's performance envelope and all the proper equipment to reach out is Scary!!!! . Close to the .338 Lapua and cheaper to shoot.
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Steve,
I agree with you, but most of Elk down here in the lower 48 are whimpy compare to some I have seen in Canada and Alaska.
Where in Alberta are you? I used to live in Calgary many years ago.
Stock on ammo and guns to protect your self from the American Congress! They have no idea what they have done!
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These threads are interesting, sorta, but when it comes to the "ultimate [anything] cartridge" there just ain't no sech critter. Too many variables, too many personal prejudices, too many "tried-and-true" recipes.
And remember: Karamojo Bell killed more elephant (probably) than any other man in human history with a 7mm Mauser. It's worth chewing on that one a bit.
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miestro_jerry wrote: Steve,
I agree with you, but most of Elk down here in the lower 48 are whimpy compare to some I have seen in Canada and Alaska.
Where in Alberta are you? I used to live in Calgary many years ago.
Stock on ammo and guns to protect your self from the American Congress! They have no idea what they have done!
Jerry 2-1/2 hours North of Cow town Heading there in the morning to drop off the BlackBear hide I have had in my freezer since late september. Sorry I seem to have missed some news as of late! What has happened in my absence from the information highway? No need to stock up here as I have everything I could need for all the hunting and shooting I do. I like huntin Elk I like eating em just as much, but when is comes right down to it Moose is what turns my crank with bear hunting next in line.
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.340 weatherby!!!
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Dirtkicker wrote: These threads are interesting, sorta, but when it comes to the "ultimate [anything] cartridge" there just ain't no sech critter. Too many variables, too many personal prejudices, too many "tried-and-true" recipes.
And remember: Karamojo Bell killed more elephant (probably) than any other man in human history with a 7mm Mauser. It's worth chewing on that one a bit.
I been shootin a custom 275 Rigby for a long while now
Ya know, before I realized I needed a magnum to kill American critters the 7mm Mauser killed everything I shot at with it..
The lil Spanish stinger,aka 7mm Mauser is a potent round on whitetails and with a 175 grain roundnose, I`d be more than willing to hunt black bear or elk with it.
I shoot mostly heart lung shots on anything I shoot.I have absolutely no doubt a shot in the boiler maker from a 175 grain bullet from the lowly 7X57 mm will do what I want done on one
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Howdy Gents........ Well it's been awhile to long really!, Now just in case your wondering some, I want you ALL to know, that the fellar puttin down the print is the same as "Lil Mag" OK. I had a problem with a PC and could not get back on line for a spell. Something happened and it would not let me post. So I had to re-register and now my user name is TONK.
If some of you younger Elk hunting gents are a little confused as to what you should choose as an elk caliber or what can of a shot you should or should not take, I suggest you go back and re-read Saddlesore's post a time or two.
Another thing is that seeing a bull elk 600 yards across a canyon, doesn't mean you simply must have a rifle caliber that is 2nd cousin to a 105 Howitzer savvy. Remember that never sacrifice good accuracy for extra power, when it comes to shooting over 250 yards at big game animals. In all honesty the bull elk calibers start at the 30-06 level and go up from there in my humble opinion. A 30 caliber rifle shooting a 220 grain bullet is a force to be reconed with for sure in the dark timber and over 50 percent of all elk are shot there.
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The past 10 or so years, Ive been using Weatherby's 7mm Rem.Mag. However. This year, Ive purchased the new 338 Marlin Express.. I aint even shot it yet, picked it up at FFL a few days ago. my purchase was based on info in American rifleman a few months ago and the ballistics look good out to 400yds or so. well see how it goes after this weekend though. PS I have seen a few old timers out in Co carryin 30-30s, never got to speak with-em though.??????? RLS
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When you get right down to brass tacs the ultimate elk rifle is the one you have in your hand at the moment the shot presents itself. Don't much matter calf elk, cow or bull. Matter of fact most of the old herd bulls won't be that much heavier than a cow by the time rifle seasons open up, due to the weight loss the bulls encure during the rut.
Neighbor kid got this one with his 30-30,
Wife has a dozen of these guys laid low with her 308 loaded with 165 gr hornady interloc bt's
Seen them get laid out stone cold dead with everything from a 22 mag pistol to the head at about 40 yds in the timber to a550 gr paper patch bullet from a 45 sharps 200 yds down range.
Got to hit em where it counts.
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