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For White Tail, I would use the 30-30 or the 35 Rem in a Marlin Lever gun. In the past, I would have used some kind of more powerful cartridge in a bolt gun, but I have found that within a certain distance 30-30 can be very effective.
If the deer was more than 150 yards away, I would probably use a .243 or maybe a 308. This is due to my limits, not the rifle or the cartrdge.
I am a born again hunter, back to the basic rifles, no inline muzzle loaders or super duper cartridges and power isn't always the answer.
My middle son elk hunts with a middel of the road 308 Win cartridge and does well. He used to use a 300 Mag.
So it is skill and knowing your rifle, your cartridge and your prey.
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The .270 is a pretty good round.
Reasons I voted for it:
- Accurate
- Flat shooting (so it's easy for any fellow off the street to do the job without a lot of experience)
- Lots of "punch"
- Good selection of available bullets (and factory ammo)
- Doesn't kick quite as hard as a 30-06 (still thinking of that fellow off the street who doesn't practice much)
- And pretty much all of the major manufacturers offer a rifle in this caliber that can shoot pretty well right out of the box.
Right or wrong, that's just my opinion. I agree (in advance) that a lot of other rounds have the same or similar characteristics, but the .270 also has popularity making it readily available and familiar.
I've knocked down more than one dear with my Browning in 270. I've also taken one or two with a 30/30 and hope to start filling the freezer with the 300 Savage this year. I found the 30/30 to be a little too limiting for even the woodsy-close-range hunting available here in Missouri.
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Was suprised at how few of votes have been cast in a poll over a yr old!
Well...Voted anyway. The top 2 in my mind were the 30/30 and 270.
270 got my nod my slim margin over 30/30 - Although, I could debate either as best.
My deciding factor was that my 270 has produced some spectacular Bang-Flops - Not so with 30/30. However, (knock-on wood) neither has required a second shot or lost a deer.
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I voted for the 30.06, it can do anything that a 30-30 can do and do it farther away! (not to step on toes, just my opinion) I see no reason for the 25.06 0r the 270, a 30.06 can be loaded to match both these cartridges if you use a lighter bullet, I have taken white tail deer out to 350yds using a 165gr sierra boat tail spitzer, I have dropped an elk dead in his tracks 450yds using a 180gr winchester silver tip, never ever lost a game animal when using my 06! no animal on this continent is immune to a well placed round from a 30.06, you can walk into any harware store or place that sells ammo anywhere in this country and buy a box of 06! my vote went to? yes you guessed it the 30.06!!
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I didn't vote I read through everything writen here some of it twice, and found it quite entertaining. I think it may have been a mistake to ban Irish mike unless I missed a more grave infringment than what was i =n this thread. I mean we all need some form of entertainment. Anyway I felt that the question was incomplete. the only two requirements I see here is cartridge and deer. If we disregard the word cartridge and say best weapon for killing deer and then add some sub catigories: East, West, Rural, Urban, Grasslands, Heavy brush
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I didn't vote yet. I don't like the question. I don't like the word "Cartridge" or "Ultimate". I think the question is too broad for an animial as diverse as the North American deer.
Let me start close to home. Here in Maryland where we still do have a few rifle counties left, Most of us use Shotgun. IMHO no rifle can compete with the raw knock down power of a 12 guage slug. yep you can go faster and flatter but you tale a one ounce or better hunk of projectile and hit a deer in the vitals behind the shoulder, Oh by the way, I'm more than a little tired of hearing about all the heart shots. I don't go for heart shots. Hive me a broad side through both lungs. The heart, well It's the only part of a deer my son ever asked to eat. My father and I always sat and ate fried heart after a sucsfull hunt and I think my boy remembers that. I lost Dad on April 2nd 2009 and two days ago was the first day my son ever asked me if we could go hunting with out me asking first. We had a grest time turkey hunting even though we never heard a gobble.
Back on track. Where we hunt here it's mostly thick stuff number one and secondly if you don't put them down someone near by will put another shot or two in them. now if I move north to PA give me that .35 rem. agian big lead and cramped hunting. I have a 45/70 gov that I killed deer with. I love it but when loaded up that thing kills on both ends. So a .35 is good enough.
Get me out into North Dakota and I'll take my wild cat 25/300 WSM to which I owe a few guys on this web site and others great thanks. Out west, as many of you know, you are often times afforded long shots. For me long shots are anything over 300, and for some of you 300 is a chip shot. or will at least tell us it is. If you can heart shot a live in the wild deer at 700 yards in the blowing wind across a coolie while he chases a hot doe through the brush and being dogged buy two smaller bucks have at it. Me I want a good rest. Not leaning across the hood of the truck, but will if I have to. I like laying down at the rim of that coolie with that gun laying across a day pack or something that cradles that gun. I does not bother me to pull the trugger on that gun but some just dont like the magnum power.
For those that don't like a heavy shove in the shoulder that is not the greatest cartridge. They may want to pick somethig lighter. Is that a .243 a 25-06 a .270 or or one of a hundred others, maybe it a .375 H&H Mr. linebacker. What ever floats your boat.
It takes a great rifleman to take a deer for a ride in the truck from 600 plus yards. It takes a heck of a woods man to get close enough in PA with a .54 cal flinter to give one a ride in the truck. It takes quite a freindly guy to get permission from a weary landowner thats had trash left in his yard or ruts left in his field by someone less thoughtfull to get into position to lace one with a 360 grain shaft. then wait him out as to not push him off the land you have permission to be on.
I don't like the question. Now if you want to be more specific and ask me what is the ultimate cartridge when I go to Alberta to hunt huge bodied white tail with racks built of 2X4's wide enough to sit in. Well, I don't know I havent done that yet.
I hope I didn't step on any toes. But I must say that question is realy good at sturring the pot on a slow day between deer seasons.
Time to start fishing now. What is the ulimate fishing line to catch bass? 
Camo.
Sorry about the double post I was at work and funny enough I had to Work.
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Irish Mike was banned for many more serious infractions than occurred here.PM`s including physical threats towards members.And a multitude of insults aimed at members and administrators.
His input in this thread is about the same as talking to a ninth grade kid who shot his first deer and listened to a bunch of stories from folks about deer hunting.
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LOL I understand. I've come to find there are more than a few people like that in the world ignorant of things they speak of and brave when sitting at home. Sure a lot of fun to sit back and watch the fireworks.
I started reading your thread about "the ultimate Elk gun" haven't finished yet.
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camotruck wrote: I didn't vote yet. I don't like the question. I don't like the word "Cartridge" or "Ultimate". I think the question is too broad for an animial as diverse as the North American deer.
Let's try a couple new polls.
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Ok, I'm up for anything to keep me busy while I'm at work.
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No.1 in my book has to be the 7mm08
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camotruck wrote: I didn't vote yet. I don't like the question. I don't like the word "Cartridge" or "Ultimate". I think the question is too broad for an animial as diverse as the North American deer.
wow, camo. ya hit on alot of topics in that there post.
i'll just stick with the topic of the string ... i think the way the question is worded (i.e. using ultimate) makes it more difficult to answer and one requiring a little more thought and consideration. it'd be way to easy to break the country down into geographical areas and pick one cartridge for here, one cartridge for there and so on, and so forth. that's childs play. asking for a single "ultimate" forces us to consider all hunting arenas. in my mind, "ultimate" wouldn't necessarily be perfect for all scenarios, but fully functional in all scenarios. that's kinda why i picked the .280ai. for all types and sizes of deer and all terrains they are found, it'd work. sounds like you have a lot of respect for a shotgun slug but it's an example of a cartridge that's very specific on terrain it's going to be successful in. i'm not suggesting it would be any more rediculous to take it out west deer hunting then when i take my .500s&w out deer hunting but of course, i'm not suggesting my .500's the ultimate deer cartridge, either.
regarding the word "cartridge" ... you don't like it was a word in general or as it was used in the question  .
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From last to first; Cartridge wasn't liked only because I felt it omited the shotgun hull. Many of us are forced to use shotgun / muzzel loaders during firearms season if we are inclined to put down our archery equipment. In other words if we want to use a modern firearm we are limited to a shotgun. Furthermore, some of us can only use slugs while others can use buckshot. I have never used buckshot to hunt deer and have no other comments on the use of buckshot because I have no experiance with it and in no way want to step on anyones toes.
Ultimate because i felt it forced me to chose one weapon to put deer meat on the table. Now I'm no expert in anything but I do know that one should use the right tool for a given job, and while you may be able to drive a scerw with a hammer a screwdriver may be a better choise. Now if a hammer is all you have maybe a nail should be substituted in place of the screw.
Now if everyone has followed that (I'm not even sure I did)stay with me. My point was that Dang it I lost my train of thought.
I don't know if seperating by region is the right way to pick the ultimate "Cartridge" either. But if we go by your "to consider all hunting arenas. in my mind, "ultimate" wouldn't necessarily be perfect for all scenarios, but fully functional in all scenarios" we have to go with a shotgun unless someone can give me an example of some where it isn't legal to use a shot gun to hunt deer. Out west that shotgun is gonna make it dam hard to get the job done, but with good woodmansship I would think a guy could get close enough to take a good 100 yard killing shot. Now that I think of it, I mean come on 100 yards...
Back to what I meant to convey in case I didn't in my original post. It's hard to pick ONE in such a broad question. What is the ultimate fishing line? I ask agian, thats a hard question to answer. Each has its place.
I sure am glad the question was asked though. I like to see all the different thoughts. I only wish that instead of just listing a favorite caliber or cartridge posters would elaborate on the reasons they made that choise.
Sorry this is what happens when I'm stuck at work on a slow holliday weekend.
As far as alot of respect for a shotgun, well we both just skimmed over my paragraph speaking of out west deer hunting. I guess because I went off on a tangent regarding heart shots at 700 yards and bla bla bla... sorry about that. So out west Like I said I use the rifle I use and it does an incredible job. any one interested can have a look at face book Michael Vissari. I have a bunch of pictures.
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Ok got just a little work done. went back and reread the poll and while I still haven't voted yet here's my pick thoughts If I only hunt in places where I can use rifles I'd have to go with ..... I know a guy that uses a .270 Win and he' staken a ton of deer with it and Jack well we all know how he felt about it. Ok here comes... I have to go with the 30-06. See the deer we hunt are so versitile that the "cartridge " we use should be just as versitile. There are so many different projectiles avialible it's unbelievable. Add to that the fact that, as someone else has said here and other places, You can get ammo in any small town across the US and probally the globe in camp there's surely a hunter that has extra shells. so that's my choice ... even though I havent voted yet.
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camotruck wrote: Cartridge wasn't liked only because I felt it omited the shotgun hull.
i wouldn't get to worked up over the shotgun thing. they didn't omit the "shotgun shells" section from the Cartridges of the World.
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LOL worked up? I'm not worked up. Thats what I love about posting, you never can tell the attitude of the person posting. and just for that I still havent voted and think I'm going to change to a 25-06.
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you're the only one i've seen complain about the term, camo. so in that sense, you seem to be "worked up" more then anyone else.
either way, you're concentrating on the wrong part of my post. shotgun shells are included as part of the cartridges of the world series of books so i certainly wouldn't jump to a conclusion that because the question here used the term "cartridge", that shotgun shells were intentionally omitted.
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Well then OK
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I would have liked to have seen the .280 Rem on here as I think it is one of the most versatile cartridges out right now.
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I still haven't voted... but I'm leaning toward my 270 WSM for my wilderness Elk hunt. Mostly because I have to carry it. I'd like to take my 300WSM Remington Model 7 but its too pretty.
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