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For dangerous game hunts, I presume most of the PH's use their express sights.
What type of optics (if any) do the customers generally use and what power range? Is a 2.5x-10x variable too much?
How about illuminated reticles, red dots, eotech, etc? Are they even legal for those hunts?
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I can only tell you what I have on my big bore DG rifles! I use the Leupold rifle scope in the 1 x 4 and 2 x 7 power. They are indeed "shotgun scopes" used for turkey hunting. They have very heavy reticules, which I like a bunch seeing as how my eyesight is not what it used to be. The calibers on my rifles range from the .375 Weatherby, through .458-Lott on to .470-Capstick. I have put 400 plus rounds through all of those rifles and their rifle scopes.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 03:57 AM |
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Spenard wrote:
For dangerous game hunts, I presume most of the PH's use their express sights.
What type of optics (if any) do the customers generally use and what power range? Is a 2.5x-10x variable too much?
How about illuminated reticles, red dots, eotech, etc? Are they even legal for those hunts?
Thanks again.
Most of my clients bring a "name" 1.5x5 or 1.75x6 scopes.
Personally, I think a 2x7 is too much power on a DG rifle. You must be able to 'see everything' when at the lowest power.
On the 2 rifles I have for clients to use on DG, the scopes are 1.5x5 Lupies.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 05:11 AM |
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Phil, since I have both types of rifle scopes, I was wondering just what kind of difference between my 2 x 7 verses a 1.5 or the 1.75 scope would you be referring too?
Now one of the things I always imagined, was that a variable could cause a "Big Problem" if knocked off or turned to higher power setting accidentily prior to when things got Hot so to speak.
However, I took my 1 x 4 and 2 x 7 power scopes and focused on a point put on a concrete wall in my basement at around 10 feet away from the rifle/I and I could see a very large area with a 2 power. Also this 2 x 7 power lets in much more light at 33mm (2 x 7) verses the (1 x 4) 20mm lense. If that is of any importance in the African daytime hours.
I have often thought, it would be better to have just a straight power scope, on a 1 piece mount, sitting on a DG rifle but I am not in that position to call those notes like yourself.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12th, 2008 08:43 AM |
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Thanks for the replies. What was said has reinforced the other information regarding the power of scopes for DG hunts that I've heard.
If you all could provide some information relating to the second part of the question, I would greatly appreciate it. That 2nd part of the ? relates to the use of illuminated reticles or eotech, etc for the hunting in Africa. First of all, are they legal? Last fall, I hunted and was successful with taking my first moose. My 300 Win Mag was equipped with a nightforce 3.5-15x. For the shot, I turned on the illuminated recticle and could clearly see the crosshairs on the dark target. Having illuminated reticles was a huge convenience.
On my 416, I'm thinking of leaving the sights as open or use a low power scope. I was really leaning towards the 2.5x-10x but it doesn't sound like the best choice for DG so I'll probably ljust use the open sights. The areas I've been hunting really don't allow long shots so I'm sure 10x would provide more than enough range for the 300, so if I purchase it, it could be used there. But the 300 is more than equipped as is, so I hate to spend more money only to replace that scope.
I would really like to have a removable scope (w/ quick release) on my 416, but it is a CZ, so I don't see the "quick release" as an option. Oh well, I guess there is lots of time to decide and wait for some sort of a deal on a scope or find a quick release mount option for it (ref: CZ 550 Safari Magnum).
And ... thanks again. I sincerely look forward to any advice you may have.
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I don't have a lot of experience with those "lighted recticules" I have shot a friends 7mm mag that has one on it but I don't plan on ever hunting in that dark of a condition etc.
I would think that a 3 x 9 or 2.5 x 10 and even a 2 x 7 would be just fine for a .300 caliber as far as shooting past those 200 yard targets.
Now as far as "Dangerous GAME" goes, you best stick with what the PH tell you and not wonder off the road with his advice. I mean after all, these fellows do this for a living day in and day out.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13th, 2008 02:43 AM |
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I feel on a scoped DG rifle, you need the largest field of view possible. It is not a light transmission issue I don't think.
As far as an illuminated reticle, I don't see a problem with that, as long as there is not a battery that can fail. Or if it fails, the cross hairs are still useable.
For clients, I recommend a low powered scope. The first shot needs to be accurately place. The first shot on DG is worth 10 once the animal runs off (depending on the game).
For the rifles I loan my clients, they have a 1.5x5 scope. It has a very large field of view. I can see 1/2 the barrel through the scope, which is just what I want.
My stopper has open sights. As long as you are used to open sights, they work well for fast work. If you do not use open sights often, you are better off with a low powered scope. IMO
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PhilLozano wrote: As far as an illuminated reticle, I don't see a problem with that, as long as there is not a battery that can fail. Or if it fails, the cross hairs are still useable.
Well said. I was really leaning towards the 2.5x-10x but the repititive advise shall prevail.
Even though the reticles are visible without power (ref: Nightforce), I'll wait (until needed) to purchase a scope for DG in the power range suggested.
Thanks HB and PL.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 06:01 PM |
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PhilLozano wrote:
For clients, I recommend a low powered scope.
What about reticles too? Heavy or one of the German #3 or #4.
That's why I like Leupold so much they will install any of the above custom reticles in their scope.
I'm running out of adjutment on most of my eye piece's to get a crisp sharp reticle (my eyes are 53 years old) thank goodness the heavy reticles will get me through the next 20 years.
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wolfkill wrote:
PhilLozano wrote:
For clients, I recommend a low powered scope.
What about reticles too? Heavy or one of the German #3 or #4.
That's why I like Leupold so much they will install any of the above custom reticles in their scope.
I'm running out of adjutment on most of my eye piece's to get a crisp sharp reticle (my eyes are 53 years old) thank goodness the heavy reticles will get me through the next 20 years.
Try some glasses !
Reticles are kind of a personal preference. Me, I like the standard Duplex, as I can pick it/them up quickly. I can see where others would want/like a heavier reticle.
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I like a heavy reticule , I love iron but my eyes love glass ..
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HollandNut wrote:
I like a heavy reticule , I love iron but my eyes love glass ..
In the end, you can only shoot as well as you can see . . . . . . . no matter what you use.
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Someone may have given you this info. months ago but if they did not; Midway or Brownells offer Warne QD rings for thye CZ. I installed a set of these on my CZ 375 about 2 years ago. They work wonderfully, but on a reinstallation I did not line up the mount properly and rounded the edge of the rear mount lug. I called Warne and explained that it was operator error and that I would pay for the replacement. The factory rep. said to send him both mounts. He sent back a new set no charge. also NEGC makes a nice replacement front sight that you can actually see. (brownells catalogue). I hope this helps you.
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Having hunted Buff I agree with with Phil the Pro. I had a 458 Lott with a Leupold 1.5x5, prior to my hunt I must have shot at least 200 full power rounds out that rifle before my trip to practice and see if I would have any failures. Well it just so happend it did, the scope's occular lense shot loose. Leupold repaired it in a short period of time and sent it back. I then hammered that scope and myself again and the lense came loose again. I called Leupold and they informed me that my problem happens quite regularly on rifles like the 458 Lott, they recomended a fixed 2.5x scope. Well I got one of those and hammered myself and the scope again no problems.
The 458 Lott that I had was a little on the light side around 10lbs, the rifle is now a 404 Jeffery. On a DGR, I recomend a scope that is especailly made for such a rifle, lots of FOV and the best you can afford.
That new Leupold Prismatic sight looks like a very promissing option. What do you think Phil? And How was your season? Also have you had any clients use an 8mmx68S?
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Jmatson wrote:
That new Leupold Prismatic sight looks like a very promissing option. What do you think Phil? And How was your season? Also have you had any clients use an 8mmx68S?
I have not had any experience with that sight, so can't say.
8x68 is a nice cartridge with heavy bullets. Very much the equal of the 338 Winnie.
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Jmatson what you say about Leupold scopes is interesting to me because I had a long talk with Leupold spokesperson about what kind of scope etc to put on my big bore rifles.
I even asked about the "shotgun scope" used on many turkey guns used in the woods and wanted to know if in FACT these shotgun scopes would last or even should be placed on a dangerous game rifle in caliber's I mentioned, such as the .458-LOTT, 416 Rem mag and .470-Capstick.
I was told that they all would be very good choice, even in a variable such as the 2 x 7 shotgun 32mm lense scope or the 1 x 4 scope with smaller lense size of 20mm. I will give Leupold a phone call this week and find out just what gives. I haven't as yet had any problems with any of those Leupold shotgun scopes but I want to be darn positive I have the correct tool on my DRG Rifles.
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A scope designed to handle recoil would be my preference. The cost differential (if any) is nothing compared to the cost of a safari.
Get the best scope you can designed for the job IMO.
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Update:
I went to the range a few times with the 416 and was most impressed with the groupings at 100, and 200 yards using open sights. Thinking about the whallop and what I would use the rifle for ... decided not to scope the rifle. It's just fine as is.
When compared to my 300 win mag w/ scope at 100 yards, the groups from the 416 seemed slightly more than double than the 300 w/scope. Good enough for me as the intent of my 416 is likley 25 yards-50 yards or less for special situations. Heck, if I hunt bear from a stand, or call in a moose, I should get a shot that close. I can still reach a bit if necessary and be accurate enough to deal a fatal blow.
If that 416 0.340 gr Woodleigh is traveling at 2800 fps, it's a heck of rifle/bullet combination. Not much bullet drop. The rifle accepted that bullet with various powder charges of RL-22 and groupings did not not vary much at 100 yards. A scope would be needed to really refine the differences.
A scope on the 416 for long range shooting could be interesting but was not my intent at this point. I'll spend this summer refining the drops and confirm the left to right.
I couldn't resist and bought the nightforce in 2.5 to 10 power anyways. Right now, it's sitting a top a 300 win mag. The two things I like about the scope are the low profile (basically a 30mm tube) so I can lower the scope mounts and have the illuminated reticle. The one thing I don't like is that the chosen objective doesn't offer much visibility in low light conditions. The 3.5x15 and huge objective offers a significant advantage in the low light and has spoiled me. But the 2.5 x 10 scope doesn't make sense for me in the intended confined visibilty/low light shooting for the 416 when compared to open sights.
Thanks for the feedback above. The advice was spot on.
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I don't see the mention of scope weight. On dangerous game the minimum caliber allowed is .375 (9.3x64 Brenneke is included). When you have the higher recoil rifles scope movement is a problem. The 1.5x5 Leupold is the lightest scope I have found and it has never failed me. When you add batteries and hardware to make other great scopes the weight goes up and so does scope movement. I learned this from bad experiences shooting a 458 Lott with a 3x9 scope. And by the way, these eyes are 70 years young. If you do a lot of shooting at the range you eyes will learn to pick up what ever reticule is in your 1.5. IMO
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msisut wrote: I don't see the mention of scope weight. On dangerous game the minimum caliber allowed is .375 (9.3x64 Brenneke is included)
Regarding the 9.3's . . . . . . . they are legal (maybe) in S.A. and perhaps Namibia (the landowner sets the rules there, or at least used to). Where the minimum caliber is .375, the 9.3's don't measure up . . . literally. They don't measure out to .375
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