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Chuckscap,
Not sure you would get anything more out of a Capstick than a 458 Lott.
If you are looking for something quite powerful, think about the 450/475 Ackley or a 500 Jefferys. There you have a step up in power.
Not sure you are gaining much over a 458 Win. Mag. with the Capstick. A bigger diameter (47 vs 45) 500 grain bullet at the same velocity, 2150 fps.
The Lott, Ackleys and Jeffery will do more than 2150 with the same or heavier bullets (or for that matter, so will the 460 Wby.. And there is always the 505 Gibbs, and the 510 Wells. All killers . . . . . . . . . . . . . at both ends.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 21st, 2007 10:52 AM |
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Thanks Phil, appreciate the advice
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chuckscap wrote:
Thanks Phil, appreciate the advice
Good hunting,
Chuck
Keep us up to date on your plans. I am building a new rifle cartridge, so, I will if you will.
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Absolutely,
Thanks Phil,
Chuck
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Hi Phil, after looking at a bunch of load data, the 470 Capstick gets 2400 fps from a 500g bullet out of a 24" barrel. A-Square sells factory ammunition that advertises that performance as well. It's a little faster than the 458 Lott for the same 500g bullet weight which makes sense. It's got a bigger bore for the same bullet weight and case size. Since my plan is to eventually rebarrrel my CZ 550 375, it would be the easiest conversion. The other easy conversion would be to 475 A&M Magnum which is a beast. My plan is to shoot my 375 H&H a bunch then see if I want to step up before next fall's hunting season. Africa is still a few years out for me (kids college educations and all that)
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Greetings Phil and Happy New Year!
Well now, getting back to the velocities of the .470-Capstick, I myself have gotten loads with 500 grain grain bullets to achieve a velocity of 2340fps. Also no signs of pressure at primer's, primer pockets or the case area.
I use plinking loads (broke the rifle barrel in doing this) with Hornady XTP pistol bullets going a velocity of 1,400 fps. I do have a very accurate load using Woodleigh 500 grain solids at 2300fps. I only shoot 3 shot groups from the bench and best so far is 1.25 inches at 100 yds, 50 yards is more in the area of .85 inches.
I did have a more accurate load than that above but some how the journal I wrote things down in got misplaced or lost. So had to go back to 1st base and do more research at the reloading bench.
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The groups you mention are plenty good enough from a big bore, DG rifle.
When I started loading my 458 Lott, I stopped at 2230 fps. With a 500 grain bullet, that is plenty of power.
That is 4 grains of powder lower than the max. load. Don't know if I can/could get to the max load, but at 2230, I had no pressure signs. I did load up one with 1/2 grain more powder, one with 1 grain more powder, then another with 1 1/2 grains more than the load I am currently using, just to see where the pressure would start, as when the weather gets hot, the pressures will raise and hunting late season Elephants, it can get pretty hot.
No pressure signs from any of the loads. Did not chronograph them, just wanted to see where the pressure was.
Personally, I would opt for the 458 Lott. I do not think you gain much with the 470 Capstick. If you need more power than the Lott has . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . you need a lot more power.
Just my .02's worth.
That being said, there is nothing wrong with just wanting another rifle/cartridge.
Me, I want a 35 Whelen Mag. Not a 358 Norma however (which is a brilliant cartridge), I want my own design.
I will let you know how and if things work out (if you care).
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Please let us know how things work out .
Regards, hope you all are having a great holiday,
Chuck
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I got 2275 outta the other Lott ..
The current one I havent had the chance to see yet what it will do ..
2200~ is most plenty ..
Phil didja call the guy about the Parker ??
May call ya this afternoon/evenin' ..
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Hi Phil, my CZ 550 Safari Custom in 375 H&H just arrived. It is absolutely gorgeous. I did have to send it back once, but what a difference! The action is perfect, snug tight locking, no wooble when you work the bolt, but smooth and slick. The stock is beautiful. Hi Vis front sight bead, dual crossbolts, glass bedded, barrel band, Pachmayer Decelerator Pad, Mercury recoil reducer and CZ action job. Not cheap at $2100, but I think well worth it. I get to shoot it tomorrow. I'll try and take some pictures too. I still probably will send it to Ed Plummer at AHR for his CZ 550 Upgrade #1 package ...
http://www.hunting-rifles.com/CZ/CZowners.htm
But I'm going to enjoy it for a while first. Then if the recoil is as gentle as I suspect, my 470 Capstick conversion project starts next winter.
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Cool!
Keep us posted.
Me, I'm in limbo just now with my project.
The smith was at a 'shoot', I was of at a hunting show and the stock blank is someplace in the mail.
Have to get everyone back on track again soon.
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Chuckscap......I am going to pay CZ a visit in there factory at KC, Kansas. I been eyeing up one of those .500 Jeffs for sometime. I just don't want to have a big problem, like I read about over on AR with a CZ big bore. I'll just have to see for myself, eyeball to eyeball and handle the rifle etc.
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Hi, I don't blame you. I gave myself time for them to get it right, and it worked out fine. I took it to the range and it functioned and shot flawlessy. 1 1/2" 3 shot group from a rest with open sights (which is a reflection of my shooting, the rifle I'm sure can do better). I've got some pictures of the rifle if anyone can tell me how to post them here.
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chuckscap wrote:
. I've got some pictures of the rifle if anyone can tell me how to post them here.
Chuck
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Hi Phil, I shot another 40 rounds through my CZ Safari Classic today. 300g full power factory loads. Learned two things, I definitely need a scope on it (I've always shot with a scope, even deer/elk running through the black timber). No problem off-hand with keeping 3 shot groups under 4 inches at 50 yards with open sights, but I could easily half that and shoot faster with a nice 1.5 - 5x 20mm Leupold. Second thing, this rifle is a pussycat with regards to recoil, I'm almost certain to have it rebarreled to .470 Capstick or a .500 class round next winter. I also shot a bunch of 3 shot strings rapid fire (for me) off hand. The action fed and ejected flawlessly, but my groups definitely got bigger during rapid fire. Practice, practice, practice...
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Phil, Why do you recommend a 338 Win. over a 375 H&H?
I have a friend who has been to Africa 6 times for Cape Buffalo, etc. He has told me several times that if he could have only one rifle to hunt anywhere in the world, it would be a 375 H&H for an all around gun. By the way he uses a 500 Nitro in a Searcy double for the Cape Buffs. He also owns several 338s and 458 Lotts as well, I believe, as an 416 Rigby.
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PhilLozano wrote:
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I suggest to clients that ask me what to bring a 338 Win. Mag. and a 416 Rem., Rigby, Weatherby, in that order.
I was not implying that a 338 Winnie would/could replace a 375 for DG.
What I was saying is, bring 2 rifles, a 338 and a 416.
The 338 for everything but DG, as the 416 will take care of all the DG very nicely.
Personally, I am not a 375 H&H fan, but it would work for a 1 gun safari. However, if I was doing a 1 gun safari, I'd choose a 416. The 416's hit much harder that a 375 and they shoot about as flat.
The 338 is more suited to the plains game part of the safari than a 375, . . . IMO. Both will work, but for me, I would choose a 338 over a 375 for plains game.
I would not use a 338 on DG (nor would I choose a 375), that is what I toted the 416 along for.
Have a look at the energy levels of the cartridges listed and maybe my views would make more sense to you. Buffalo, Lion and Elephant are bloody tough and with a 375, you don't have much room for error.Last edited on Mon Feb 25th, 2008 10:56 PM by PhilLozano
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Well Phil, I'm glad my 375 H&H is a pussycat with regard to recoil then, since I really wanted a DGR to hunt buffalo with. The only question is which caliber to barrel up to ... A 458 Lott just doesn't appeal to me, I don't know why. The 470 Capstick does, or I suppose I could get my rifle rebarreled to 500 A-Square and shoot light 500 NE loads! (570g at 2100 fps). They would be about double the recoil of my 375 H&H, not sure I would want to shoot that load with a scope though. The 470 Capstick at 470 NE levels should be very shootable (500g at 2150 fps).
I'm going to hunt North American game with my 375 H&H this year and then rebarrel it for sure over the winter. Is Ed Plummer at AHR a good person to send it to?
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