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Hey Gang,
Just thought I'd post one here as hunting the wiley yote' is near & dear to my heart. I hunt with an old buddy up here in WNY and although we've followed the thoughts & practices of the west and mid-western hunter's when we started hunting them several years back, we had to develop our own methods as these dogs are a breed apart.
Back about 10yrs' or so, our coyote population took off. Back about that time, I took a coy-dog cross with a bow shot at about 25yds. Initially, I was from the northern part of the state up around the Adirondack Mtn's, and the "cross-dog's", or "coydog's" as they were called, were relatively common up there. When I moved down to the southern tier on the western side of the state, they were abscent from our lineup. When I saw the one I arrowed, I knew right away, by it's looks & actions, what it was. I took it to the state environmental dept. where a wildlife biologist confirmed it......he said, "more dog than coyote, but definitely a coy-dog mix".
Within that last 10 yrs., our coyotes have moved in and taken over so to speak. They call extremely hard, and even if sitting at the edge of your calling area, they'll stay there for lengths of time that most hunter's pull up and leave. Even the young inexperienced dogs. Most guys (through frustration with them) have taken to hunting them with dogs. I'm a traditionalist (as is my partner) and we stay put.
Although we've got them, the dying rabbit, or rabbit in distress calls are about useless for them. Fox, yes....they work pretty well there...but every WalMart around sells them and in large quantities, so I'm sure every noobie out there uses them and the animals are used to it.
I've gone to the extent of using electronic game call tapes to build my own calls, or modify some that I have. One call that works probably the best I've had is an old Knight & Hale "fawn distress" call that I modified to sound like a coon squaller. I raised the pitch so that it sounds like a young coon and the first time I called with it, every predator imaginable came in. Red tailed hawks, fox, crows, even opossums....no coyotes though.
Our coyotes are large.....50-70lbs. large, and they act more like wolves than coyotes from the mid-western tales. My hunting partner took a young male yote that ran 48lbs. 2 yrs. ago, but another buddy took a 62lb. dog with a bow, and a 67lb. male with a shotgun in the same season. Right now I'm contemplating going to the electronic calls to increase our success rate....maybe the pup calls would increase our luck.....don't know.
Well, here's a pic of the 62lb. bowkill with it's proud owner....just to give you an idea;
Take care gang,
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Another pic of me holding my hunting partner's kill from Mar. 03'......he's looking on, and yes, that's snow still coming in March......
By then we're kind of sick of it............
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Great pics Bob.I know for certain that coyotes are becoming established extremely dense in populations in certain parts of the east.Last year when I bear hunted in the Appalachians I saw one at 4 in the morning as I started my drive to climb up the mountain where I was hunting.I made a point of asking other hunters I ran across at check stations and such about their sights of coyotes and I was amazed to hear from hunters and farmers alike the level of prosperity that coyotes have attained.It looks like you fellas are in for a long while of some fun calling..
I love to hunt them too.There are many time when instead of grabbing my 308 to go sit in a deer stand I will grab my calls and one of my little rifles and take off to try outsmarting Wiley...There is no hunting thrill I have seen yet to match it.Ive rattled in nice whitetail bucks,killed feral hogs and such,but I still get a thrill seeing one coming in to me...
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Yeah, I gotta agree on the excitement factor..........especially when they try to sneak in on your 6.............yikes!
My old heart can't take it......but it's like a drug.....
If that old feeling ever goes away......I'll take up golf (aaah....NO).......but I'm happy to report, I've never met a hunter who was bored....it only gets better....
Fox are exciting also, but nowhere near the thrill of a coyote coming in......I guess because you just don't see them as frequently..... like ghosts !
Take'r easy,
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......there is one thing that's equally exciting I guess......after several years getting skunked.......and then your first spring gobbler.....that smile is very wide, yes. Attachment: P1010002.jpg (Downloaded 67 times)
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........didn't want to turn this into my personal photo gallery.....please excuse...
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Hey Bob, that's no problem with the pics. We love seeing what other hunters have been getting.
Keep up the good work on those 'yotes. From what you've said there's plenty to keep you busy.
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Hey Bob...Feel free to post all the pics you want bud..We all like pictures here...
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TG and Gunnie,
Okay.........well, if you like those pic's, maybe I can get some new ones this season and post them for you.........until then....I'll do one more.......heehee.
I got these two in seperate locations. The one with the bloody mouth was shot at 277yds. on and old railroad bed, and I had called him from about 400 + yds off. While he was running at me, and his head seemed like it filled the scope, I took the shot. The bullet went in his mouth, entering the roof of the mouth next to a rear molar, and never exited the head.
Bullet of choice........55gr. VMax at 3550fps, in a .22-250 (pictured) My favorite round for varmints, I guess.
I'm working on my newest short range round now (.22 Super Jet) and I'm getting an Encore barrel built for it. Sometimes, at closer ranges between 100-200yds. the .22-250 can get pretty destructive on pelts.
Using the VMax's has kept the bullets inside the animal more times than not from a 100yds. on out. Inside of a 100, it's real iffy.
Thanks & take care,
Bob
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Bob, If you don't mind. What county you hunting? I use to live in WNY and hunted/fished it in the 1960-70s. No 'otes there at that time.
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Great pics! Keep 'em coming! I love to predator call as well but we're starting to get so many timber wolves up here that they're running out a lot of our 'yotes! Too many timbers but they should be allowing a season on them soon as they're starting to chase 4 wheelers about 20 miles from me where there is a big cattle operation and thus a heavy concentration of timbers.
My most memorable 'yote was 7 feet from the end of my 22 Hornet when I pulled the trigger. I had to aim down the side of my barrel as all I could see through my scope was hair! I was focusing one one coming in from the left and this one materialized on my right almost in my lap. Intense!
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Ursus,
I'm over in Wyoming Co., which lies between Erie and Livingston. Genesee Co. Is to the north, and Alleghany Co. is to the south.
I live about a mile or two from Letchworth State Park (Grand Canyon of the east).
I moved in here around 1981, and coming from up north (Oswego and Jefferson Co.'s), the game was much, much better down here back at that time. Coyotes have gotten thick in the state since those days. Not as thick as they are out west, but they're gaining very quickly.
AFarCry,
That "yote in yer lap" sounds like it made for some real action. I can only imagine what that was like. I know how it feels to have them open up only 80 yds. from behind your setup in the woods.....not to mention having them sitting right beside you.......yikes!
Take care guys, and have a good season (going out today for a 3rd straight..nothing yet other than fox.....but, they'll do for fillers.....
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here is my boy with a yote his first one last year 80yrd shot threw my bedroom window nia county , pesky chicken theaf handgunr,, my father hs a place out by letchworth in graingr some yotes look like huskies lol Attachment: pictures.JPG (Downloaded 8 times) Last edited on Mon Jan 2nd, 2006 06:05 PM by arborchair
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Nice yote for sure arbor..Thats a big oneI hope your boy keeps getting em!!!iF you was a little closer ,I`d tell yall to come with me for a few hours on a cold morning.We gots plenty of em...
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arbor,
Your boy got a nice one for his first dog........congrats to you both.
Your dad has a place in Grainger, eh ?....nice area.
One thing about Letchworth Park, it houses and harbors some of the biggest coyotes around, and they're protected automatically by living in the park.
We usually get what filters out of the park to set up housing.
During deer season, they let you hunt the park by permit. Up until a few years ago, I hunted the park, and for many many years previously.
Back then, I was one of the few who'd hunt the river bottom. It's a 4 hour drag up those slopes to get a decent buck out. You gotta be young and very energetic to do it....or just plain stupid....I guess.
The last time I did it, I'd swear I'd never do it again, but the lure of nailing one of those massive bucks really causes me (at times) to want to return.
While hunting the river gorge several years back, I watched two coyotes attack a red fox that was unknowingly meandering down the bank of the river. The coyotes were visibly together, but attacked the fox from two different angles, giving the appearance that they had an attack strategy. They seemed literally invisible until the attack....never saw them prior to that.
They hit that fox so hard and so fast that it only let out a very short gargally sounding "yipe" or bark, before it was dead. They had it literally torn in half within seconds. They were about 300yds from me at the time, but clearly visible.
Again....congrats to you & your boy....
Take care,
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Great area Handgunr,
I use to fish the Oatka and the Wiscoy. Places like Bliss, Pike and Warsaw. Us to be a water retention/generation lake near Genesseo that was a good goose hunting area, I use to have a few pit blinds in there. In the 60s I use to hunt that area around Letchworth S.P. for deer; it was a small farm that ran right up to one of the ravines that lead to the main "canyon"..great hunting.
I now spend most of my summer fishing Chautauqua Lake (two counties away). I try not to tell many people how great WNY is for hunting and fishing (secrets)
Are the big trout still making that spring run at Naples?
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Ursus,
I live about 1/2 mile north of the Village of Pike. Hunting was the main reason why I built my house down here in the south of the county. As a Deputy Sheriff (retired), I was able to work and see the whole county and I decided on the southern part to live in.
It's very rural down here, and I've gots lots of room for my shooting range, and hunting.
I fish the East Koy Creek a lot during the spring trout season, but that's about the extent of my fishing during the year. I've also fished the Wiscoy a couple of times.
Just learned how to fly fish a couple of years back and it's become a spring passion so to speak.
Small world ain't it ?
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yeah grainger is ok;/ past three yrs notta deer in sight he said , i toldem about thosebig otes by you n he said thats prolly why theres none lol. hes on engilsh hil rd
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Gents
As we dont really have these creatures in my parts of the world, id lik to know more about them
What is the impact they have on the other animals? do they cause problems on farms with livestock,chickens?
the closest animal i can compare it to is the silver backed jackel, alos a problem animal, with similar size
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Arbor,
Yeah, English Hill Rd., isn't that far from me......he's got a good supply of coytoes down there, I'm sure. There probably just denned up a little farther from his house than they are from mine.
greysmoke,
Our western coyote is very much like your Silver Backed Jackel in size and weight. The eastern variety of coyote has more in common with a wolf than the western cousins. Yes, they are a coyote, and the same species, but are a lot bigger on average, and with their winter coat, they look like a smallish wolf at a distance. The pointly ears and nose definitely speak coyote, but the body is thick & heavy.
Take care,
Bob
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