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I have a 17 HMR that I have not yet taken hunting. Any opinions on using it for close range coyote? Say under 75 yards. Anything further and I have my 30-30 for that.
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I am not a fan of .17 caliber rifles for yotes,even the speedster 17 Remington.
I`ve had yotes take a hard hit from a 223 with 40 grain vmax get up and run from me.
Of course shot placement with head shots and any smallbore will mess up their day.,
I once shot a yote at about 150 yards I made it to be with a 220 Swift.Drilled him a little far back.I had two of em coming to a squealin cottontail and they were movin fast.
Knocked that first fella down and the second turned on the afterburners with me kickin gravel and dust all around him.
That fella I knocked down I could see his tail still movin hard so I tried to place a head shot in the tall grass.Well I missed but he come back to life,
He cleared 300 yards dragging guts and hit the barbed wire fence leaving guts hangin as he hit the neighbors cedar break,never did get him.
I`ve seen em do strange stuff like that more than once.
I shot one dead in the ass running from me with a 270 Winchester at 75 yards and keep going.I found him three days later from the buzzards.
Bullet went all the way through him and tore a quarter dollar sized hole outta his front shoulder...
The faster .224`s are nasty on em with vmax bullets,
the 6mm`s are awesome on em with light bullets,
the .25-06 Ackley is the most wicked round I`ve used yet on em and ya can hit him at some serious range,.
I`m not tellling ya your business bud,but that 17 hmr would not be my choice.If its all ya got,bust em in their melon with it..If its close range shooting,use your 30-30..
If possible,buy ya a 22-250 , or a 223 and handload it for your yote calling needs.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 01:36 PM |
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morning, j.fish .
an hmr on coyotes has been a controversial topic from the moment the little rimfire hit the market.
you'll have folks so adament against the use of the hmr on game that size and in the next breath say they use the wmr with no troubles anchoring the animals. i have had conversations with fellas who fur hunt with the little .17, exclusively.
owning one of the marlin hmr's and working with it for several years, there's no doubt it will work. but with a .223 and .243 in the safe, i'd opt for these if a day of coyote's were on the menu. i've used the round on large badger and rockchuck. there's plenty of damage and penetration there to get the job done on coyote, but you'll have to be picky with shots. keep things close, as you mentioned. i would shy away from all the 17 gr. offerings. the v-max and tnt are very frangible bullets. winchester and cci offer ammo using a 20 gr. gamepoint soft point and hornady offers ammo using a 20 gr. xtp hollow point. either of these would be off heavier construction and a better choice for coyote sized game.
in general, i agree with gene. our hmr's are indeed on the light end of what's generally considered coyote cartridges, as is any rimfire cartridge. i've never "hunted" coyote with mine and have never had the opportunity present itself while out varminting, but if the opportunity ever did, i wouldn't hesitate taking the shot. selective shots and quality shot placement will determine success or failure, with the little guy. not near the room for error if using a larger, heavier bullet. you'll probably find yourself wanting to get into one of the smaller caliber centerfire cartrdiges in short order.
report your finding, if ya choose to take some closer shots on that sized game with your hmr.
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Thanks for the info. I may just save the 17 for rabbit and such. As far as anything bigger, I have my choices. I have a TC .222 Rem sighted at 150 yards. I also shoot .223 and reload primarily for my 30-30win. If I'm going for distance, I reload 303 Brit and 30-06. Another fun brush gun is my Win 357mag.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 09:33 PM |
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Over the last 2 years, I have taken two 'Yotes with my 17 HMR, these shots were below 50 yards and were well placed shoots, heart and lungs.
From experience, I would rather use my 30/30, more damage and you know the 'yote is dead when it falls over.
I use my 17 HMR for ground hogs because I think it is better than a 22LR.
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I'm in the process of revamping an old 30-30 savage. I'm almost done with the stock. I'm trying to convince my wife to let me spend $80 on a new rear sight for it. I also need to work up a load with 110 gr bullets for it. 125 and 150 spire points are hard to cram in the magazine.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 02:31 AM |
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J.
The 30/30 can be a great rifle for 'Yote hunting, but I would use a CB in the 140 to 165 grain category.
I use a 165 grain GC'd cast bullet for much of my 30/30 shooting, good for the "doggies" in my farm fields here in OH and for deer on my land in WV.
Does your 30/30 Savage have the factory sights on it?
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It has the factory rear sight with what looks like a flat washer that adjust for elevation. As I found out, the reciver is tapped for a rear peep sight. Lymann makes the sight for it. The plan is to get that sight and replace the damaged front sight. I'm thinking a fiber optic one. Despite the gun being beat up when I bought it, it still functions fine. It just needs some tlc.
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I've had some beat up rifle that were well loved by the former owners that were great for being in the field with me.
Currently, I have a Spanish FR8 that is my beater in 308Win. I shoot slightly lighter loads in it. But is shoots well once I figured out the sights.
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What we have here is a typical case of " what the gun magazine writer said"! LOL!!!Years ago when the 17 Remington made a legit attempt at being a factory sub caliber, the gun writers said that it "fouled easily, was generally innacurate after it fouled, and was an inconsistant killer of small game". This was not all a lie, but most of it was... Then came the 17 HMR, and it ain't no better!!!. The gun magazine writers claimed it's fame as the do all end all small varmint cartridge.  I feel certain that no money switched hands on that little deal . The 17 HMR will do little (short of slightly better balistics at extended ranges) than the 22 MRF!!! The 17 Cal is a good cartridge...just use it for what it intended...and that ain't coyotes, especially at extended ranges.
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choppersdad wrote: What we have here is a typical case of " what the gun magazine writer said"!
evening, choppersdad. respectfully, you'll find very few here who run to gun mags for answer or opinion. that resource just isn't needed.
if you'd have just joined a site comprised of novice hunters and beginning handloaders, the above statement may be true. not here.
i think you've basically restated (and very well, i might add) what's already been pointed out by several above. folks for whom gun magazine "wisdom" ( i use that term losely ) means nothing. we kinda establish opinion on things from actually "doing it". which, in the end, tends to be the most effective and useful way of developing an opinion.
by the way, welcome aboard. i do hope you enjoy yourself here.
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This evening I found signs of a coyote running the back fields of my farm. I will probably have my FR8 or one of my Marlin 336 rifles with me the next few days.
Over the last few years, I have found that a 30-30 is really minimum for coyote, then 35 Remington, then 308 Win. I have shoot them with 243, 7-06, a few other rifles and have taken few with my T/C Contenders.
I can't tell you what the magazine writers say, because I only read the American Rifleman and American Hunter.
With this forum, just ask a question and you will get answers that work. For this 'yote, I will probably load some 300 RUM with 180 grain Grand Slams with 85 grains of Rx22 with should keep the velocity down to about 3,000 fps, and the recoil will probably more like a strong 30-06 than the 300 RUM. Then I can sit out on my deck and wait for this puppy in the evening.
As that my range for shooting varmints is limited by the contors of the land more than anything else, this 300 RUM load will proabably waste this puppy with no trouble. Bust most likley I will spot him or her during the day and my Marlin 30-30 will be with me as well as a 45 ACP on my hip.
I did get my 17 HMR out a couple days ago, cleaned it, got the ammo out. I will use it for G'Hogs over the next few weeks, until I decide to try something strongers or different. Right now, I find that I worry more about the supply of rim fire ammo because of the current availability of ammo in general. Now I wished that I got a 17 center fire of some type that I can reload.
The 17 HMR for me is restricted to pests and varmints like Ground Hogs with a range of 100 yards or less.
Good Hunting,
Jerry
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interesting you speak of shortages, m j . with the difficulty in getting the cases, primers, powders and bullets that a person might need, the one thing that they do have a heap load of locally is hornady's varmint express 17 gr. offering for the hmr. i mean loads and i don't think the price has jumped. maybe a little. if the desire were there and money a non-factor, with everything else i can't get my hands on, tens of thousands of hmr rounds could have been purchased and stashed over the last several months. wierd.
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Most of the places I have looked for 17 HMR ammo, as well as other calibers, the shelves are empty these days.
For the bulk of my other calibers, I can cast bullets and reload the cartridges. I have a good supply of reloading supplies on hand. Plus I have maybe 7 bricks of 22 LR and a couple thousand 22 Magnums. I think I have maybe 500 17 HMR. I could use a couple of brick more to last another 4 years.
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J.Fish..I would never tell a man his business but you can ask the fellas around here who know me that I am a fanatic coyote caller.
I don`t care about foxes or even bobcats.I`ll let em pass for the chance of a song dog coming in to my mouth calls.
I am not sure how many I have shot over the past 17 years of calling.
Once I got decent at it I tried to start counting...then I either got better or the yotes got dumber and I started killing a lot more often.
I use a plain old 223 with 40 grain vmax bullets.
You do need to place a shot well..
unless ya gut shoot him,blast him in the hams, or tear off a leg..
a well placed 40 grain pill at 3500 plus fps kills like lightning
as chopper and Korey mention.I could care less what the gun writers or the now prolific varmint hunter mags say.I use a 223 and its damned effective..
For places where I want to take long shots,I tote a custom 25-06 Ackley Improved.
If you want to see the Hammer of Thor at work,watch a 95 grain bullet at well plus 3400 fps impact a coyotes shoulder at 250 yards.
Like some of the long range deer hunters on the board,I like to now and then use my handloads in a sweet rifle and see how far I can push it..
But 90 percent of the time,I shoot a 223 Rem..
your 222 will do excellent as well
If ya arent handloading lighter varmint bullets,I`d say get 55 grain hp`s or sp`s for that 223 and start wasting em...
I have a 22-250 as well,great rifle great round..But I like my 223 better
my 223 at work
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Nice yote Timberghozt. Now, its just getting to hot out here in Arizona for coyote. That being said, I'm trying to find a local farmr that is having problems with them. I found a data for my 7mm Mag that I want to try. Its a 100grn bullet going around 3400fps. Sounds like fun.
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Man there are a lot of calibers that are effective on coyotes. No real reason to push the little rimfires. Besides with a decent centerfire you get the benefit of being able to both reload the brass as well as develop a round that performs well in your individual gun.
I've hunted the little range hound since back in the late sixties. Hunted on my own since early seventies. They are a fun hobby. Helped put me through college. Sold literally hundreds of pelts to keep from straving while in school. My first coyote gun was the only high power I had, a 7.7 Ariska with Lyman peep sights. It never failed me. It was handloads and gas checked cast bullets at 50 yards and under. On ocassion longer out ot 100 yards. Of course my eye were better then also.
I got broke from under gunning about 25 years ago. I had a cur dogs that had developed a taste for chickens. Had to put it down. I didn't bring the right tool and let's just say it wasn't pretty. Never wanted to experience that again.
Hope you find a weapon you like. One of the fun things is trying them out. A great opportunity to buy a couple new guns a year if you ask me. My latest is a 257 bob. Picked it up from a friend, one of Rex Peterson's conversions. I'm thinking it will fill the bill for several hunts out west.
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I'm not really accusing anyone here of falling for the gunwriters stuff, I probably worded that opening line a little clearer. That was a general statement that the "general public" tends to swallow each and all of their bunk without a hiccup. For instance, the writers funeral procession for the 17 Remington, and then their do it all attitude about the 17 HMR. Once again, it was just a statement about the general public and the crap that they accept as the gospel...
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The 17 HMR will work if it is the only rifle you have and you keep your shots close and use the 20 Hornady XTP HP. As far as 17 cal rifles goes , the 17 Rem is one of my favorite calling rifles.
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If I had to use a .17hmr on a yote, I'd stick with the 20gr bullet and try to put it through his brain pan and not shoot from any farther than 75yds!
My preference would be a .204 with 40gr v-max!
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