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 Posted: Sun Feb 8th, 2009 04:17 AM
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As that we have gotten up in the 50s today, I found some paw prints in the mud that tells me that I have a coyote coming near the house.

Now I have to decide, maybe my 45-70 or maybe pull out all the stops and use my 600 Nitro.

Decisions, Decisions. :lol:

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naw leave that small stuff ,how about a 25mm chain gun or some other such fun stuff



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I want to be able to not have to drive to the next county to get the carcase, but really a 120 mm would work better and help dig my pond at the same time.

 

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I had training on the use of coyote getters & compound 1080  plus other methods for controlling livestock killing predators while getting my degree in wildlife mgt.

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Sako,

 

So you recommending a 155mm gun? :)

 

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i use my 7x57 ackley imp. with 100 gr sierras.
bucks the wind nicely,and has plenty of velocity....



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Jerry I think a 16 inch would be more effective.A neighbor sent me email with pics of the 1600 sq ft gun  vault with many of the weapons under Charlton Hestons home!What a collection!



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These days, I would be more economical and use a 5" deck gun.

I heard that Heston was a really serious collector.

 

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Jerry that's an understatement 1600 sq ft vault in his basement and a plane on the front lawn.



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Hello Jerry! Well, today I got to thinking some and almost shed a tear for my old  6mm, 700 Remington BDL that I traded off 2 weeks ago. Now I had this rifle ever since the early 70's and It was my favorite "groundhog" and "Yote" gun too. It has been replaced with another 25/06 Ruger model 77 and 5 x 15 mil-dot series 3200 Bushnell rifle scope on top.

The 6mm Remmy had the heavy barrel and 6 x 18 scope, it was a real nice set up for sationary type hunting, as this gun was a bit on the heavy side to tote around up and down the hills. I never lost any groundhogs back to their holes after tagging them with an 85 grain Sierra HP bullet going 3200fps.

In the past I had a 22-250 but using factory bullets back in those days and shooting past 300 yards was not advantageous on groundhogs who would soak up the lead and get back to their holes. The 6mm Remington was a class act in varmint or predator hunting.  :cool:

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I liked the 6mm round, but found the .243 was more practical in my case.

For 'Yotes you can do a world of damage to em with a 223, but somes times I like to sit out with Savage bolt gun in 17 HMR and wait for them.

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My .22-250 and .257AI have done a great job on a number of yotes, but probably the nastiest gun that I've used was my .375 RUM pushing 270 gr Barnes TSX bullets at 3043 fps for 5553 fp of energy.  It wasn't a coyote, but a black backed jackal a couple of years ago in South Africa.  The jackal is the South African version of our yotes.

We were sitting on a rocky hill overlooking a waterhole.  Previously my Professional Hunter had told me that I could shoot as many jackals as I wanted to for free, but if I missed I would owe him $200.  He also told me that his previous two hunters had each missed jackals, but he didn't say if they paid up.  Anyway, a jackal came in to drink on the far side of the pond about 50 yds from where we were hiding in the boulders.  My 270 gr TSX hit him on the near shoulder and just about gutted him.  The skiners weren't real happy when I told them I wanted the whole skin.



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my ruger vt .243 and savage bvss .25-06 have done well on coyotes.  probably not the nastiest thing running, i guess.  i'm not as hardcore a coyote hunter as lots of ya.  more an opportunity hunter.  never called them in.  and don't shoot to save coats, either.

i did have an opportunity big game season a couple years back where i thought i'd be able to retrieve a nice looking coat.  a coyote was flitting around just outside of 350 yds. below a position where me and my bro were holed up deer hunting.  i had my warbird with me.  at that time, it was loaded with the 200 gr. nosler accubond.  had seen no deer movement that evening so figured what the heck, take advantage of the opportunity.  kinda thought that 200 would just zip right through.  get the coat to the taxidermist, tanned up and have a nice trophy for the reloading room.  entrance hole was perfectly small.  maybe a smidge larger then .308" but not much.  offside exit hole    ...     emmmmmm, lets just say the coat was in no condition for saving.  i can't imagine the bullet opened up at all.  must have just been to much energy poured into that small an animall  :confused:  .  i don't know.  the hole was massive.  warbird turned out to be a pretty nasty cartridge for coyotes.  got a pic somewhere of the clean side.  



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257 Ack  is another good coyote round course the absolute best one is the one that you use and hit with. The Biggest & Baddest  is only as good as the trigger puller!



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Back in the late 50's/early 60's, I would go with my Mother when she visited one of her many sisters.  This particular one was married to a man who was an avid varmint hunter.  He had a number of rifles, custom built on Mauser actions.  Seems he volunteered to remain in Germany after the war, just to acquire a number of weapons.  Anyway, he had one in particular that I had opportunity to witness dispatching groundhogs at 200+ yards, out behind his house.  He had a nice bench built behind his small shop, and was the first person that I knew to reload his own rounds.  The rifle that I came to lust for was a custom, heavy-barreled .22-250.  Never was allowed to shoot it.  But, decided to someday own one for myself.  Varmint hunted with a variety of rounds many years ago, .22LR, .25-06, .22 Hornet, .270.  Then, dropped out for a very long time.  Never stopped reloading or shooting.  Just hunting.
 
This became the year to take up varmint hunting, again.  Decided to build the rifle that I put off for so many years.  Pulled out my old reference books and reintroduced myself to the old wildcat/custom  rounds of my earlier years.  .22 Hornet was always a favorite, for close range (under 200yd).  As I always try to be a bit different from my peers, who don't get into balistics and loading like I do, I decided on the .22-250 A.I..  Parker Ackley seemed to prefer this round over the .220 Swift, though he spoke highly of the Swift.  And, if you look at the load data of each, you won't see much difference.  But, he seems to think that in the field, the former slightly outperforms the latter.  So, my choice was made.  This is where I am, at present:



The action is an FN SPR, based on the pre-'64 Winchester Model 70. FN bought Winchester Repeating Arms when they closed their doors a year or so ago.  They are making the Model 70 in the pre-'64 action configuration. The SPR is a bit different from their commercial models.  I don't know the details on the differences, as I bought my action on the recommendation of my gunsmith.  The barrel is a Shilen #7, and finished to some longer than 27".  The stock is being made by Master Class, in the F-Class Prone model:



The scope was just ordered a couple days ago.  It will be a Burris XTR 6x-24x-50mm, with sunshade and lens covers.

I know that what I'm building is a bit pricey.  But, sometimes we get a wakeup call, and begin to enjoy the things that we have been putting off way too long.  My wakeup call was putting my motorcycle into the side of a minivan, back in '04.  Since my recovery, I've slowly been realizing some things that I shouldn't have waited so long for.  It's just as well.  I have no idea what components I would have used in the build, if I had built way back when.  But, I'm not taking a chance that I'll have plenty of time to do it later.  So, here goes. 

I'll post more pictures as the build progresses.  Even though I live on a farm in N.Carolina, we don't have many long shots.  Mainly due to people living in close proximity to the farm.  But, 200 to 300 yards are easy for coyotes and groundhogs.  So, I'll practice around here, and plan some trips to more wide open spaces, elsewhere.

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Jack, Very nice combo of parts should be a shooter when it's done. What did you choose for a twist rate on the barrel? RD



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Timberghozt wrote: What is your pick as the most deadly coyote chambering of all time?

 

I'll noninate these Tri-Ball loads from Dixie Slugs:

http://www.dixieslugs.com/products.html



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Rockydog wrote: Jack, Very nice combo of parts should be a shooter when it's done. What did you choose for a twist rate on the barrel? RD
1 in 12" twist.  You wouldn't believe the number of suggestions of twists, that I had during my decision process.  Fortunately, my gunsmith participated in long range competition during his Army tour.  His team was able to compete in 'All Army', though they admitted that they were out of their league.  But said that the experience made up his mind to request sniper school, which he was granted.  After successfully completing the school, he rotated back to his Unit.  He never had to put his new skills to real practice. 

My point is that he was very confident in the selection and recommendation.  So, I took him on his experience.  I've read enough over the years.  But like most, I don't have the funds to try everything.  I think I'll be pleased.  At least it will be fun testing loads on the critters around here. 

As a side note to my background in building, I have a fine lathe that I have no real machinist experience in using.  I build/restore antique Harley-Davidson engines/transmissions.  And, use my lathe as one of the tools for lapping rod races to size.  I do some small mill work on it, for fabricating parts.  But, I'm not using it to it's fullest potential.  So, I recently dropped by our local Community College, to see what they have to offer in night courses for machinists.  None were available, day or night.  They directed me to the Gunsmithing building.  If none here are aware, Piedmont CC in Roxboro has one of the finest schools of gunsmithing, in the U.S..  The reason they sent me over to see the instructors there is that they have a fine machine shop, with many lathes and mills.  I was informed that I could take those specific classes to get the machining background that I wanted. 

After talking to the two instructors, I decided to sign up for the Spring '10 Semester night school in Gunsmithing.  As in, the full Gunsmithing Corriculum  Never thought that I would want to do so.  But after seeing some of the work that the students were doing, I decided that I wanted to be a part of that group.  I have no real thoughts of becoming a fulltime gunsmith.  Two things will be the outcome.  I won't have to farm out as much machine work to my good friend at Riley Machine.  And, I'll be able to build any future rifles that I choose.  Who knows if I ever will.  I will be able to do so, if I choose.  Antique motorcycles are my passion.  Shooting used to be an equal.  I'm thinking that it will come to be so, again.

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Timberghost,
You have the same Savage as I have. Mine is in .223 Rem. It wouldn't shoot for s***, so I tried different lods with no help. So I took it out of the stock and cleaned her up, adjusted the trigger, put it back in and reshot it and it grouped at a half inch compared to about 2.5" before.



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My first choice...based on the experiences with one that I had back a few years ago would be the .22-250 Ackley Improved.
I would also add the lowly old .243 Winchester as my second choice...its flat shooting, good wind bucking and heavier bullets make it a first rate competitor against anything else.



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