| Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 08:12 PM |
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wolfkill
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Ok I can understand the concept of the the allen wrench being softer than the screw but if I can't tighten down the screw properly before it turns to mush what good is it?
I'm trying to install a scope base on an air gun rail. The actual scope base is very heavy duty with nice big fat screws and the supplied allen wrench worked fine there but...the scope base stop is a separate piece that goes behind, the idea being it will absorb the pounding the air gun gives.
The supplied allen wrench mushed out very fast. I took my rotozip and cut off about 1/8 inch to get a fresh bite again but no go.
As you can see the screw is still good but the wrench is mush.
Who makes good quality SMALL allen wrenches? I googled up nothing.
Last edited on Tue Apr 10th, 2007 08:23 PM by wolfkill
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 08:49 PM |
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The small screwdriver sets sold by Hilti, Dillon, Sears, and others usually have good quality bits, including hex and torx. Except for the torx drivers included in Leopold mount and ring packages, EVERY tool included in a package deal is suspect to me. Often it is Chinese junk, too soft to be workable.
Buy drivers from Midway or Brownells, and you shouldn't have any problems.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10th, 2007 11:12 PM |
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Wolfkill.....
If you want hi-end allen wrenches... buy Bondus or Allen brand. I use the dickens out of them daily. And I use them with hardened screws.
Any allen wrench will eventually roll the corners off.... but these seem to last longer them most.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11th, 2007 02:32 AM |
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You can always heat treat your cheap wrench? Blow-torch and a cup of water....
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I know this post is a little old but...... I work in the HVAC/R industry and nowadays almost everything is held together with allens and Torx head fasteners. After going through a lot of different drivers, I finally found Malco brand t-handle allen wrenches that have lasted well over a year, with daily use, and there's no sign of twist or stripping on any of them. I was hesitant when I bought them, but they haven't failed me yet, and I'm no saint when it comes to abusing tools.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2008 02:18 AM |
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Not an old post to me hardjeepguy.
Hey off subject but on our sister forum someone saying Mitt Romney running ad's up there saying he stood up to the NRA.
You hearing those ad's in the big MA?
What did you see with Mitt running your State? You can send me a PM if you prefer to not get political...worried about being a new guy and all.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12th, 2008 02:17 PM |
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Back to the allen wrenches. Most suppliued allen wrenches are pretty poor quaity, meant to besued once or twice and then chucked. Definitely Bondus or Alen are superior. What is not generally known is that usually by stipulating socket headed screws, one automaticaly gets high strength 180K psi yield . That is why you need better allen wrenches than say a std screw driver of hex head wrench qaulity. Generally you can put more torque on the hardware. Torx screws increase it even more
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wolfkill wrote: Not an old post to me hardjeepguy.
Hey off subject but on our sister forum someone saying Mitt Romney running ad's up there saying he stood up to the NRA.
You hearing those ad's in the big MA?
What did you see with Mitt running your State? You can send me a PM if you prefer to not get political...worried about being a new guy and all.
I didn't see any of the ads, as I don't watch much TV. I try to stay out of political discussions for the simple fact that I think they are all liars and cheats, and it only frustrates me to death. To me, voting is simply trying to pick out the least evil person to put in office. I've seen it too may times where campaign promises are made, and once in office they get to their "real" agenda.
By the way, did you find a decent set of wrenches to get the job done?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 04:47 PM |
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wolfkill
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No.
I did buy a set with a lifetime warranty but they rounded out too. Take a look at the 5/32 wrench it mushed out.
Guess I'll try sdb777 idea of heat and water.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 05:06 PM |
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WoW! Sorry about your bad luck. Does the wrench fit tightly in the socket head? That should not be happening specially with those good wrenches. Any possibility that the socket head is tapered, driving the wrench upwards as you apply pressure? After that, I'm fresh out of suggestions.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 04:32 AM |
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Wolf, Perhaps the scope mount has METRIC sized screw heads! Unless allen wrenches fit exactly they will round off corners very easily. I've got a set of metrics as well as standards and very seldon round one off. In fact the smaller sizes usually snap near the bend before they round off. RD
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I have an older set from sears and I've purchased some from Midway & Dillon bondhaus hex key sets and the set for my RL550B with bracket to attach it to the loader! Last edited on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 06:34 AM by scr83jp
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Wolfkill, I will make a suggestion to you and that is to replace ALL of your Allen type screws with TORX screws. Yes, you will have to purchase a set to work on these too but it will be a lot better for you in the long run. I believe this is why Leupold went to such screw for their mounts and rings.
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Mortis wrote: Wolfkill.....
If you want hi-end allen wrenches... buy Bondus or Allen brand. I use the dickens out of them daily. And I use them with hardened screws.
Any allen wrench will eventually roll the corners off.... but these seem to last longer them most.
+2 on Bondus or Allen Brand.
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not to change the thread subject but where did you get that adjustable scope mount on your rws wolfkill?? it is true that the allen brand allen wrenches will hold up longer than most of em btw........
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December American Rifleman has a good article on mounting scopes. Especially torquing of mount and ring screws. According to the article Leupold recommends 28-inch pounds on the rings and 18-inch pounds on the bases. People that make Talley rings recommend 20-inch ponds for the rings. Maybe the softer wrenches will help in preventing over-torquing.
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Hello,
Since I've asked questions on this site, and received excellent advice, maybe I can return the favor.
I use allen wrenches and torx drivers every day as I am a Tool Maker. All of our carbide cutting inserts were held in with allen wrenches that are smaller then 1/8th of an inch and we had the same problem. We would buy packs of 25ct. of the 2 or 3 sizes we used, and toss them and grab a new one at the first sign of stripping. A 25ct. pkg. of one size was cheaper then a new set. We would purchase these at an Industrial supply house or J&L Industrial supply.
If you used a RotoZip to cut them, and they got hotter then you can comfortly touch, then the heat treat is gone as they are only case hardened. I would grind them very slowly, 1 to 2 seconds, and dunk it in water then grind a couple more seconds and dunk again and keep repeating until you reach a fresh edge.
Torx drivers are also a very good idea, as all our new tooling uses them. Just be caerful as there are Torx and Torx-Plus(slightly rounded corners) as the wrenches and screws do not interchange.
Maybe a small drop of blue Lock-Tite and snug them with a fresh wrench??
I hope this helps, Jeff
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RockyDog pointed out that maybe they were metric and a lot of them are. Easy to think you have the correct size but if it does not fit tightly then that may be the problem. Check very carefully. About hardening, don't over harden it or it may shatter when torquing . wc
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That's exactly why I keep a set of both on the bench nowadays.
Oh and the Bondus brand work great. A friend in the machine shop turned me onto them. They are tough as a boot as long as you use them the way they were designed to be used. That being said the first set I had I rounded off in a metric screw.
See first sentence.......
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