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Posted: 12 August 2008 08:05 PM |
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I had a Redfield 4-16 variable a few years back - next to useless. Could only be used on bright sunny days. To be fair there are some " reasonable" Chinese scopes around now, but I will stick with what suits my needs, even if they do cost more.
Generally speaking British stalkers have a saying that you should be prepared to spend twice as much on your scope as your rifle. After all most modern rifles are capable of 1" 3 shot groups at 100yards, which is perfectly acceptable for stalking.
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Posted: 12 August 2008 08:27 PM |
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The only reason for me to buy a Zeiss scope was that at that time, Leupold had only an illuminated reticle in their 50 mm objective range, and I wanted definitely a 56 mm objective because I knew, my boar hunting would be mainly at night.
If I had to buy a scope now, both rifles would have a Leupold on top; Leupold gives an extreme value for the money spent.
The little scope on my .222 Mannlicher is in use for almost 15 years now, and when compared with another scope of the so called top of the range, for me there is no difference I can notice.
Must mention, I am 57 years of age, so my eyes are of course not anymore what they used to be; I also own a Leica Trinovid 8x42bn binoculars, and a Swarovski FLC 8x56, and the very little extra light those heavy big binoculars transfer into my eyes do not justify their exta weight and bulk- Swaro stays at home and Leica joins the party.
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Posted: 12 August 2008 09:14 PM |
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Leupold a good choice but personally if money were not a problem I would buy Schmidt & Bender, as to my eye they give a better picture, but then the Leupolds I have used have been older models.
I also use Leica binoculars (10x30) absolutely superb, much lighter than my Seadller 9x63 binoculars which are far too heavy to carry around.
Good choice of rifle in the Sauer- what calibre?
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Posted: 13 August 2008 06:33 AM |
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sanglier8 schreef: Leupold a good choice but personally if money were not a problem I would buy Schmidt & Bender, as to my eye they give a better picture, but then the Leupolds I have used have been older models.
I also use Leica binoculars (10x30) absolutely superb, much lighter than my Seadller 9x63 binoculars which are far too heavy to carry around.
Good choice of rifle in the Sauer- what calibre?
I have the sauer 202 Forest with steel action( no extra charge) in .308W, EAW mounts and the Zeiss on top.
Only disadvantage is, the comb of the stock is too low to have a comfortable vieuw through the rather high mounted scope, next thing I'll change is this stock for the stock of the standard 202, which has a comb about 2 cm higher.
The original forest stock is perfect for use with iron sights.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 04:20 PM |
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sako06 - I have been looking carefully at the relative burning rates for the imr powders suggested by http://www.loaddata.com Both powders suggested are at the two extremes of the range. IMR3031 is faster than anything so far, and IMR4350 equates to N150 and Tu7000 which may be just a little slow in such a short barrel according to some sorces.
Useful data none the less, and I am obliged to you for your help. IMR powders have in the past been difficult to obtain in the U.K. but I am told regular supplies are available from some dealers, though I am now told that some reloading components are no longer available due to the demands of the U.S. military.
Paul, I am a little surprised that you use a .308win for boar, I was expecting something like a 9.3x62. Obviously restrictions on military calibres do not extend to the Netherlands as in some other European countries. Do you shoot only in your own country or do you travel, Germany perhaps, obviously not France with that calibre.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 05:25 PM |
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| Lots of items were short but our gov't cancelled some orders freeing up ammo & components from federal.To check on what's available from dealers go here http://www.sierrabullets.com/index.cfm?section=links&type=mailorder .
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 13 August 2008 06:37 PM |
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I do only travel to Germany, over here we do not have the military caliber restriction.
I did choose the .308 because, although a special purpose rifle, I use it as a universal rifle, and because the .308 is a fine caliber to use in a 51 cm barrel, far better than the 30-06springf.
We are limited to a max of 6 shotguns/rifles on our hunting permits, and I already do own 4 shotguns, so choosed for a multi-purpose caliber.in my second rifle, which works fine with the 165 grain Nosler accubonds I shoot in it.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 06:38 PM |
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I think that while in the past probably 90% of reloading components came to the U.K. from the states there has been a tendency to source elsewhere. This has been partly due to restrictions in the U.S. and partly due to the opening up of certain European countries now within the eu. Powder has been a problem within the U.K. for quite a few years now since we lost our own home producer Nobels. Even when Nobel was available many of the U.S. powders were seen as sexier, even if they didn't really offer any real advantages.
Many of the powders available to us now come from the Czech Republic, Finland or France. The main problem is transportation costs, handloading isn't a big market and powder can only be carried by certain carriers which adds to the cost. I was looking at a U.S. site the other evening that offered 8Lb of powder for the price I have to pay to get 1Kg. Some importers like Ruag import Norma bullets but not the powder to go with it, , the same applies to RWS bullets and Rottweil powder.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 06:45 PM |
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Paul, are there any boar in the Netherlands?
I keep hearing of restrictions on shooting and hunting in your country such as it being illegal to breed and release pheasants, how true is this.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 06:46 PM |
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sanglier8 schreef: I think that while in the past probably 90% of reloading components came to the U.K. from the states there has been a tendency to source elsewhere. This has been partly due to restrictions in the U.S. and partly due to the opening up of certain European countries now within the eu. Powder has been a problem within the U.K. for quite a few years now since we lost our own home producer Nobels. Even when Nobel was available many of the U.S. powders were seen as sexier, even if they didn't really offer any real advantages.
Many of the powders available to us now come from the Czech Republic, Finland or France. The main problem is transportation costs, handloading isn't a big market and powder can only be carried by certain carriers which adds to the cost. I was looking at a U.S. site the other evening that offered 8Lb of powder for the price I have to pay to get 1Kg. Some importers like Ruag import Norma bullets but not the powder to go with it, , the same applies to RWS bullets and Rottweil powder. Over here reloading is not big business either and I am restricted to Accurate and Vihtavuori powders which are not bad at all, mainly use N140 and N120, price is about 55 Euro /kilo. My supplier has obviously some good contacts abroad, because bullets are no problem, and if not in stock, he will have them within a couple of weeks. I liked to use the RWS powders but these are hard to get over here.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 07:13 PM |
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Current cheapest prices in the U.K for powder.
Accurate powder (Czech) £26 per 500grams = 32 Euro or $48
Vhitavouri (Finnish) £56 per Kilo = 70 Euro or $105
Nobel Sport (Vectan powders) slightly more than Accurate. Other problem is not the whole range of Accurate powders are imported into U.K.
U.S. made bullets at least twice the price of advertised U.S.prices when available.
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Posted: 13 August 2008 07:41 PM |
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sanglier8 schreef: Current cheapest prices in the U.K for powder.
Accurate powder (Czech) £26 per 500grams = 32 Euro or $48
Vhitavouri (Finnish) £56 per Kilo = 70 Euro or $105
Nobel Sport (Vectan powders) slightly more than Accurate. Other problem is not the whole range of Accurate powders are imported into U.K.
U.S. made bullets at least twice the price of advertised U.S.prices when available.
Then you pay more than the germans do for their powder!
Bullets never have been cheap over here, I pay 40 euro for a box of 50 Accubonds, what i had to pay for the Hornady V-maxes of 50 grain I forgot; I once bought 10.000 of them, was in the 9ties of last century, when we still could pay with our good strong guilders, I strongly have the impression that, since we do have the Euro, only the currency has chanched, not the price behind it!
Please,stick with your Pounds, for God's sake!!
We well could start a new thread, because we are getting far away from the intended purpose, or mail private; my e-mail: paultummers1951@hotmail.com
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Posted: 14 August 2008 04:48 AM |
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| I read midway has international dealers in several countries. http://www.midwayusa.com .I purchase nosler(2nds) blems from http://www.shootersproshop.com and http://www.bivwak.com both are located in Bend,Oregon.Only company I can find that sells their blems nationwide,all other companies have them but one must go to Missouri for Sierra 2nds or Nebraska for Hornaday 2nds. Before buying Nosler Blems I checked with their techs who advised they all hunt with them and so does a heck of a lot of my friends just as accurate as firsts but 1/2 price. Last edited on 14 August 2008 04:57 AM by sako06
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 14 August 2008 11:01 AM |
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sanglier8 schreef: Paul, are there any boar in the Netherlands?
I keep hearing of restrictions on shooting and hunting in your country such as it being illegal to breed and release pheasants, how true is this.
@sanglier;
Sorry for the delay in answering you; I am in the night-shifts right now.
I am living in Southern-Limburg, and over here there are coming every year more and more wild boar across the border from the German side, I shot 4 untill now this year.
Our Government indeed has forbidden releasing pheasants totally, breeding them is still allowed.
It looks like they want to stop hunting in a sneaky way;not just forbid, but by taking away the game from the shooter, because almost everything which was common practice in the past like shooting varmints and feeding are not allowed anymore.
We were not able to shoot foxes for a couple of years, but under pressure of farmers, medical department etc. we are now shooting foxes again since 2004.
It was about time because they were litterally everywere!
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