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Posted: 10 August 2008 07:32 PM |
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Came across this site the other day when looking for loading data for my 8x57jrs rifle, liked what I saw and decided to sign up if you will have me.
Have reloaded for about 28 years now, nothing especially interesting, mainly pistol calibres in the past and sporting rifle calibres for field and range use.
Calibres loaded- .32s&w long, .38/.357, .44spl/mag, 9mm. .45acp, .308win, .270win, .223rem, .222rem, 8x57jrs. Equipment used a complete mixture but presses currently used Dillon 550B and RCBS Rock Chucker.
If anyone has any load information for 8x57jrs (not 8mm Mauser) I would be most grateful. While the calibre is popular in Europe reloading for it isn't or the powders used are not available in the U.K. As most of you will be aware reloading equipment, powder, bullets and data available in the U.K. comes mainly from your side of the pond, but with one big difference the price!
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Posted: 10 August 2008 07:56 PM |
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Posted: 11 August 2008 12:12 PM |
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Welcome aboard!!
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sanglier8
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Posted: 11 August 2008 01:28 PM |
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I hail from the border county of Monmouthshire in the U.K. The county is sometimes English, sometimes Welsh, but always British. A very mixed county with some of the loveliest scenery in the British isles and some of the ugliest industrial landscapes also, fortunately after a couple of hundred years of industrial despoiling things are starting to be put right.
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 11 August 2008 03:30 PM |
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sanglier8 schreef: Came across this site the other day when looking for loading data for my 8x57jrs rifle, liked what I saw and decided to sign up if you will have me.
Have reloaded for about 28 years now, nothing especially interesting, mainly pistol calibres in the past and sporting rifle calibres for field and range use.
Calibres loaded- .32s&w long, .38/.357, .44spl/mag, 9mm. .45acp, .308win, .270win, .223rem, .222rem, 8x57jrs. Equipment used a complete mixture but presses currently used Dillon 550B and RCBS Rock Chucker.
If anyone has any load information for 8x57jrs (not 8mm Mauser) I would be most grateful. While the calibre is popular in Europe reloading for it isn't or the powders used are not available in the U.K. As most of you will be aware reloading equipment, powder, bullets and data available in the U.K. comes mainly from your side of the pond, but with one big difference the price! What powder are available and which bullets( Brand, type, weight) do you want to use? Do you perhaps know the internal volume in grains of the cases fired in your gun proir to resizing? I might be able to develop a safe starting load with Quick-load for you.
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sanglier8
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Posted: 11 August 2008 04:25 PM |
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Thanks for your very kind offer Paul. What I want to do is duplicate the Norma Oryx load (196grn bullet) which my rifle shoots very well and both barrels converge at 50M. Nobel Sport tu5000 is the powder that I have used so far with 196grn Privi partisan bullets accuracy is good but convergence poor. Vihtavouri powders are available but only lists N140 loads for lighter bullets. IMR, Hodgdon and Accurate powders are available, Accurate being the cheapest option but no listing is given for 8x57jrs. I have often used Varget and H380 when loading for my .270 and .308 in the past and think that these powders are probably in the right range.
Sorry I don't know the internal volume of the cases. I was hoping that there may be someone on the site that currently reloads for this calibre.
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Posted: 11 August 2008 06:42 PM |
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sako06
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Posted: 12 August 2008 05:01 AM |
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| Welcome to the forum & Greetings from Calif, here's some information from Load Data that I just joined today on your calbre 8x57 jrs:196gr H Mantel SP,IMR 3031 43gr, vel 2441 fps & Norma RN ,IMR 4350 52gr vel 2476 fps are the only 2 listed. http://www.loaddata.com located in Prescott,AZ joined via credit card $29.95/year ad sayeth lots of data Last edited on 12 August 2008 05:30 AM by sako06
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 12 August 2008 10:45 AM |
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Hi,
The Privi bullets are not listed in my program, at least if the brand name is either Privi or Partisan.
What kind of rifle you are using? What is the barrel length?
Is it possible to adjust the barrels?
I tried to find a load with the Norma Vulcan bullet, and did find a load of 51 gn H380 bringing a V0 of 2447 fps from a 60 cm barrel.
I personally think, Varget is a tad too fast burning; the filling ratio of the case is below 90%.
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sanglier8
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Posted: 12 August 2008 11:39 AM |
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Thank you for your help Paul the information that you have given is very helpful.
The rifle is a break action express rifle with 55cm barrels. The barrels are not adjustable.
I have just this minute had a reply from Accurate in the Czech republic regarding suitable loads using their powders, pity that Accurate in the U.S.A. wasn't as helpful. The information supplied looks quite useful, however the most suitable powder is not imported into the U.K. but they did suggest suitable alternative loads. I was also disappointed with the reply that I received last night from Vihtavouri which simply said they hadn't tested loads with bullets of that weight, surprising considering the popularity and use of this calibre in Europe.
All of a sudden information is starting to come together, thanks once again.
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 12 August 2008 12:06 PM |
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N150-49 grain (Near max load)
OAL = 3.228
Norma Vulcan 196 grain
Barrel length =23.622
V0= 2426 fps
P.max est.= 42028 psi
powder volume = 94%
N160 is too slow, N140 is in the range of Varget; too much empty room left in the case.
I personally would work upward from 45 grain with the Privi's, and fire everytime a right and left, cooling time 15 minutes.
It is a menace to get a load which is accurate AND gets your shots together.It even makes a difference, wether you have an empty case or a loaded round or nothing at all in your left barrel when firing your right barrel only!
I once had a drilling with 2 rifled barrels and it took me so much time and loads to develop a load which was usable, that afterward I thought, maybe better having bought a couple of 100 rounds for which the adjusting at the factory had been done, instead of going countless times to the shooting range and trying different loads.
I assume, you use the rifle strictly for hunting, and 100 rounds do last some time that way, I used mine for driven wild boar, and had a Brennecke as last resource in the smooth barrel.
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sanglier8
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Posted: 12 August 2008 12:18 PM |
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| Thanks Paul, yes the intention is to use the rifle for hunting. I particularly want a load for driven boar but also suitable for deer stalking, where the top barrel will be used with a scope and the bottom used only at short range. I like to practise a lot with my rifle and factory ammunition is very expensive, plus there is a particular satisfaction in loading your own. In reality a bolt action presents less problems but I have always wanted a double and enjoy shooting it very much.
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Posted: 12 August 2008 12:24 PM |
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Don't you have the set trigger installed at the lower barrel?
In your case I would develop a load which shoots perfect in your first barrel and then work yourself up to an acceptable level at 75 yard for your second barrel, but, I am I and you are you!
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Posted: 12 August 2008 12:35 PM |
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| No I don't have a set trigger. I have a single selective trigger and zero the scope for the top barrel at 100yds. This is fine for woodland stalking where most shots will be taken between 40 and 100yds. The rifle is capable of good accuracy and I would be confident to take shots out to 250yds using just the top barrel. Three shot groups from both barrels are 1" or less, but at 100yds the bottom barrel shoots 2" low and left of the top barrel using Norma Oryx ammo and even more using my present reloads.
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 12 August 2008 12:54 PM |
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Using the top barrel puts a lot more strain on the rifle than using the lower barrel.
Which brand/type you have?
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Posted: 12 August 2008 03:12 PM |
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I realise that, but with a limited amount of use I don't think it will make too much difference. It is a very strong, Boss type action, meaning that the barrel is supported at the centre anyway.
The Scope is a Meopta 30mm variable with no 4 reticule. I have another Meopta fixed power 7x50 scope on my .222 and I have found these scopes to be excellent value for money, close in quality to Schmidt & Bender but half the price. I have made the mistake in the past of buying cheaper scopes only to regret it. As you appreciate most shooting in Europe is done at dawn and dusk and the quality of the glass comes into its own at these times.
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Posted: 12 August 2008 03:53 PM |
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Posted: 12 August 2008 05:29 PM |
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sako06, U.S optics is a fine company producing scopes of excellent quality but pretty rare in the U.K. apart from being used by a few of the practical rifle boys. Most stalkers have realised the benefits of good optics and the makes most commonly used by serious British stalkers are- Swarvorski, Schmidt & Bender, Kahles, Meopta, Pecar and Leupold.
Numerous other makes are used, but are generally used by the more budget conscious. I have made the mistake in the past of buying BSA via Cabelas, only for it to self-destruct. BSA in the U.S. didn't even bother to reply to my letters. I had a similar problem with a Simmons Whitetail classic, however this was replaced by the importers, so can't complain there. I also used a Weaver for some years but that finally gave up the ghost after about 15 years of reasonable service. The Weaver and Simmons represent fair value for money but don't come close to the better European scopes. I recently returned a Swarvorski for servicing having used it for over twenty years, returned promptly as good as new no charge. You only get what you pay for, and I have decided to stick with what I know to be dependable.
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Posted: 12 August 2008 07:27 PM |
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| My scopes are mainly Leupold due to their lifetime warranty.Now that Bushnell has gone the china route I won't buy from them.A couple of years ago at the Shooting,Hunting Outdoor Trade show in Las Vegas I spoke with some chinese scope makers who would sell me red dot scopes for $9+ but I had to sign an agreement to sell them for $115 & the $15 Variables for $125. Redfield has been acquired by Leupold Stevens. Weaver is back with ATK.A friend bought a World Class Tasco Scope in 2000, while at a range a target knob twisted off so he called Bushnell & they refused to honor the lifetime warranty.
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Posted: 12 August 2008 07:32 PM |
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Yes,
I think I know what you mean;I am living at the other side of the small pond, in the Netherlands, and all our rifle hunting is done late in the evening, early in the morning, or, with a good bright moon, at night.
I never had a scope failing due to a technical defect but soon realised, there is an enormous difference between optical performance at both ends of the price range.
On my .222Rem sits a Leupold 3-9 x 50, and my Sauer Forester has a Zeiss Classic 3-12x56 with illuminated reticle on top.The latter is actually what I bought after selling the drilling, and I think it is by far the better tool for the job.
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