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I am looking for a few brass cases to reload in the 8 x 18 variety and here is what I have for horse trading
here is what I have to work with
100 .357 sig brass
78 .25 acp
29 7.62 x 39 1 steel case same cal
2 .32 auto look to be a bottle neck rifle casing
7 5.7x28
9 .32 short
1 .357 mag
1 32 h&r
1 300 win mag
let me know what you have and what you are looking for
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| Posted: Sat Dec 6th, 2008 06:01 AM |
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Think I replied to this on another board....
Think about buying a trimmer and cut 9mm Luger down to 9x18 specs. 9MM Luger brass is easy pickens at the range.
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Ive been trimming 9mm down to 9x18 and I have to tell you it makes loosing all that mak brass in the bushes a whole lot easier to take.I have a bulgarian mak and it can fling a case right into oblivion.Im lucky if I can find 50% of my cases so making them out of 9mm is a lot cheaper...Robin
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Box13 wrote: Ive been trimming 9mm down to 9x18 and I have to tell you it makes loosing all that mak brass in the bushes a whole lot easier to take.I have a bulgarian mak and it can fling a case right into oblivion.Im lucky if I can find 50% of my cases so making them out of 9mm is a lot cheaper...Robin
Verily. I got by with trimmed 9mm Luger cases in my East German Mak for a couple of years until S&B and a couple of other ammo makers' reloadable stuff showed up locally, and Starline started making 9x18 brass. Still have most of those trimmed cases. They are indistinguishable in service from the real deal in terms of function and firing, and require no special setup after trimming. My Mak throws cases a country mile in just about every direction, so finding them in the field is about a lost cause.
Been shooting my Mak this past week, trying to settle on a good load for Berry's 95 grain plated round nose bullet (http://www.berrysmfg.com/categories/82-0.php). 5.0 grains of 231 seems to be the ticket. Nice, crisp load but easy to shoot and accurate enough for small game at reasonable distances (25 yards or so). No pressure signs, moderate report and recoil. Might be a good round for my P64, as well. That one tends to be a bit less comfortable to shoot with S&B or bedan-primed milsurp loads. Felt recoil is pretty stiff.
BTW, deboog, how many round of 9x18 brass are you looking to acquire?
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SCSlim wrote:
... 5.0 grains of 231 seems to be the ticket. Nice, crisp load but easy to shoot and accurate enough for small game at reasonable distances (25 yards or so). No pressure signs, moderate report and recoil. Might be a good round for my P64, as well. That one tends to be a bit less comfortable to shoot with S&B or bedan-primed milsurp loads. Felt recoil is pretty stiff.
Post script re: Firing the above recipe in the P64: Outstanding, snappy load. Excellent accuracy, less recoil than milsurp. It's a keeper.
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SCSlim wrote: SCSlim wrote:
... 5.0 grains of 231 seems to be the ticket. Nice, crisp load but easy to shoot and accurate enough for small game at reasonable distances (25 yards or so). No pressure signs, moderate report and recoil. Might be a good round for my P64, as well. That one tends to be a bit less comfortable to shoot with S&B or bedan-primed milsurp loads. Felt recoil is pretty stiff.
Post script re: Firing the above recipe in the P64: Outstanding, snappy load. Excellent accuracy, less recoil than milsurp. It's a keeper.
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As far as number goes I got nothing yet I have some Russian ammo which I am finding out is steel case and not re loadable has three flash holes (not sure of the name of this brass). was trying to get a few hundred or so.
heck if this 9mm conversion will work seems I should be set for brass for life. I have probably 5k 9mm that I can not give away so might as well modify. what about .380 brass that should work to? thanks for the info..
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You're right about the steel cases. They aren't reloadable, at least not without going to extremes that aren't worth the time and effort. Back in the day when Berdan primers were more available, we used to reload CCI Blazer ammo and some Eastern Bloc Berdan-primed brass, but those days are long gone. It's a pain in the butt to get the Berdan primers out anyway. With steel cases, you run the risk of marring the inside of your sizing die.
Given the amount of 9mm Luger brass that you have on hand, you should never have to run short of 9x18. All it takes to convert them is the Mak reloading dies and a case trimmer or trim die of the proper dimensions.
Happy Mak shooting!
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deboog93 wrote: ... what about .380 brass that should work to? thanks for the info..
I wouldn't try using .380 brass. It starts out shorter than 9X18 and is of smaller case diameter. You'd be stretching the brass out more than is probably safe to do, both in sizing, expanding and firing it in a 9x18. It might work, but you'd be better off safety-wise to trim and form 9x19 brass for use in the Makarov.
Once read someplace that .380 commercial hardball ammo could be fired realtively safely in the Makarov (PM) pistols, in a pinch. I tried it many years ago and it did indeed fire, without blowing up the gun (which is nice). The brass was severely deformed in the firing process. I think a hotter load might have caused the brass to let go, causing a face full of hot powder gas at least - maybe worse.
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I've used a lot of Starline brass, but 9x19 is easy to conver. I just run it thru the sizer, then use a Lee trimmer chucked in a drill press. Takes a bout 15 seconds a case to trim, then deburr and you have 9x18. If you shoot 9x19, be sure to mark your cases as well. Mixing them is a PITA, particularly on a progressive machine.
.380 can be fired in a 9x18 pistol, about like firing .38/40 in a .45 Colt. Noise, smoke, but the undersized bullet kinda ambles down the barrel, not much pressure buildup.
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I started taking my auto's (Mak, CZ52, ACP, Ar) back out to the range last spring.
Being frugal, I ran across a minnow seine in one of those old country stores one day, and the light came on.
I folded up the bottom 6 inches forming a pocket. Then took a couple solid brass brazing rods and formed them to fit/hook over the 2x4 overhead bracing at the range, added a little bit of lead for weighting, the rest is history.
Now I can enjoy the autos every now and then. I'm a wheel gun junkie actually.
Sure, a couple of my buddies make fun, but they'er the ones complaining of loosing/chasing brass.
Since then, one of the guys came up with his own version. He bought some kind of camo material, extremely shear,light weight material. I asked him where he got that hijab. But it does knock cases down but, if there's any wind he comes over to my 'manly" brass knocker downer thingy. About 50% of the spent cases actually fall into the pocket.
Its soemthing that needs more tweaking with but it works for me.
One more thing for cry'n out loud. I didn't deface the seine, it can still be used as intended  Last edited on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 12:17 AM by Sprue
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you got any pictures of this?
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