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Berrys plated bullets suggestions
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 Posted: Tue Mar 15th, 2011 09:51 PM
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I was wanting to get some Berrys plated bullets for my Kahr P45. I was just wanting some suggestions on bullet weight and design has worked the best in Kahrs or any DAO semi autos. I plan on using Bullseye powder if that helps. These are just going to be range ammo.



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we're fortunate enough to have a member of berry's staff as a member , from time to time he even offers deals here to members
as for the bullets themself's ummm DOA or single action wont matter , perhaps the most important part would be the feed ramp and any profile you now have luck with should work , the profiles often do depend upon the gun , some barrels will eat anything and some are rather finicky , i would also suggest the same weight as what you would load for carry ( their HP is a nasty lookin puppy lolz ) i like the concept behind this one
http://www.berrysmfg.com/product-i14514-c17-g8-b0-p0-.45_Cal_185gr_HBRN.aspx
if indeed just for cutting paper the swc style is ideal if you have had luck with your barrel with this kind of bullet



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 Posted: Wed Mar 16th, 2011 01:42 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I was lookin at that bullet too.



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That bullet caught my eye as well, but so far i haven't tried them out since i'm not sure if i would need to put a lighter recoil spring in. I've used both their 200 gr HP, and the 230 gr. RN in my 1911 with fantastic results. Personally, I prefer the 230 gr. just because my FNP .45 doesn't like the 200 gr. as much. Also, I don't want to get too spoiled on light recoiling rounds for the .45.



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I've used the 185g HBRN  bullets from Berry's and they are my standard plinker for all my 45's. The 185's have the same profile as the 230g bullets,sit them next to the 230's and you can't tell them apart, unless you look at the base.  I'm not sure that any obturation of the bullet takes place but they sure are accurate! I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. For that matter I've yet to try a Berry's bullet that has failed to shoot well and I've used some of their offerings well outside of the intended designe criteria!



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With those hollow base bullets do you have problems with powder going into the base and not burning?



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Kind'a hard to tell if there's any unburned powder in the base as them hollow base bullets is mov'in awful durned fast when they come out the case!!!

hawkeye,
Actually if there is any unburnt powder I'd suspect that it would show up as inconsistencies of the group size and that's sure not the case here! The 185g HB bullets are among the most accurate 45 loads I build.   



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unburnt would show up in the bore , just shoot and then inspect , some is usually no problem , alot i would tend to rethink the load



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I guess i was more worried about it not being against the primer to go off if the powder was up in the base of the bullet. I just dont know how deep the hollow base is and how much powder could actually go in there. Just a thought.



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+1 for guncrank. I have just started using the Berry 185 gr hbrn. As with all of the Berry's, it has been extremely accurate and reliable.



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about the best thing about a hollow base is that the pressure makes sure it seals perfect - often offering better accuracy and a lil more leeway in sizing diameter , alot of bullets started out being hollow based from the minie ball onwards , only on the deep deep 38 special wadcutters can there be a problem that i'm aware of - these bullets are designed for targets and the work well when shot at target velocities , yet loaded hot it's possible to blow the head off and leave the skirt as a bore obstruction ( but that's on the deep hollow based 38 special wadcutters - no worries in this case ) if there was problems with them there would either a. be a disclaimer about it . or b. no longer be in production ( and a good seller )



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hawkeyetac308 wrote: I guess i was more worried about it not being against the primer to go off if the powder was up in the base of the bullet. I just dont know how deep the hollow base is and how much powder could actually go in there. Just a thought.

Gunpowder in the cartrige case has no need whatsoever to be "up against the primer" to be ignited. Thee is some debate as to possible differences in absolute consistency in ignition depending on whether the powder is piled up neatly against the base or laying out on the side of the case with the flash hole completely exposed. Either way they seem to ignite and burn off everything just fine, the "debate" comes in to hairsplitting accuracies and velocity variances people have seen, measured, claim to have seen or measured, or think they will see or measure. Not hopping on a side just now, but, it is one of the many "debates" out there among ammo-builders like us. :wink:

Most folks use fairly fast burning pistol powders, such as Bullseye, in .45 Auto or the fast-end of shotgun powders, Clays, the Red or Greed Dots, etc, especially for target practice ammo. This use of fast-burning powders makes powder "hiding" in the cavity of a Hollow Base Bullet even less of a factor.

Conceivably, with a caseful of slow-burning powder, loaded end-to-end, you could "run ouit of barrel" before you "run out of powder" in the base cavity and "loose" some, un-burned. In reality, gunpowder burns so fast and there is such a firestorm in that case and the first few inches of barrel, that, especially with fast powders in small quantities, it just isn't gonna happen.

Hollow-Base bullets have a very long and successful, certainly not "problematic" history of use in revolvers for target shooting, decades and decades, mostly in.38 calibre, and that combination, of a much longer case, with only a few grains of Bullseye, in a particularly low-pressure cartrige, if there was ANY faint threads of truth to the "powder not against the primer" idea, it'd show up there, and it just doesn't.



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Thanks Oldstuffer for the explanation. I understand a lot better now.



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I loaded some Berry 185 gr RNHB plated bullets for my 1911 and the attached image showes the results with my first five shots, without benefit of a re-zero. Nearly as accurate as a lead SWC. If you pistol does not like SWC or HP, this might be the bullet for you. Hard to tell from a FMJ round.

Attachment: Berrys-185-gr-HBRN-Target.jpg (Downloaded 198 times)



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i like the 185gr hbds berry's, have loaded thousands and shot just about that many, accurate as anything else i've tried.



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For the 185's in .45acp what is your load suggestion? What data would you load these HBRN with? Anyone ever shot these over Tightgroup?

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i put em on top of 7 gr. unique, if i remember right a little over 900 fps. i real;ly need to keep a better log!



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5.4 gr unique/230gr
7 gr unique/ 185 gr:wink:



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