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 Posted: Mon Aug 8th, 2011 05:05 PM
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Not wanting to go off topic on another thread, I thought I'd put some of my 45-70 info here..

Using my H&R Buffalo Classic, these are my favorites:

1. cast 405gr FN plain base, R-P cases, 29gr A-5744, CCI 200 primer, OAL 2.520" Mild recoil, vel appx 1500fps.

2. Same projectile and case, 6gr Clays on primer, 60grFFG, veg wad, Win LR primer, same OAL w/medium compression. Very mild recoil.

Tried some Varget loads and others also, but found that the FFG loads were the most accurate.:thumbs:



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while I like the classic cast bullet and BP, the BP has soooo many corrosive issues that I keep it for front loaders only.



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i run 13 gr of trailboss under a 405 cast in my marlin guide gun love it!have heard good thinga @5744 does it work as well with jacketed boolits?



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BEAR wrote: while I like the classic cast bullet and BP, the BP has soooo many corrosive issues that I keep it for front loaders only.
Bear, I use Ed's black powder cleaner with good results. No rust present after storage.. :thumbs:



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Katch1 wrote: i run 13 gr of trailboss under a 405 cast in my marlin guide gun love it!have heard good thinga @5744 does it work as well with jacketed boolits?
Katch 1, I found that 5744 works well on target with cast, but as I said, not as good as FFg. I don't know about jacketed bullets, having never shot any in the Buffalo 45-70.:thumbs:



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Right now I'm shooting 45 Grains of IMR 4895 under a 405GRPB Lyman in an H&R handi rifle. Great groups @ 100 yds usually two touching #3 a couple of inches away. Virtually no leading. Air Cooled straight WW with 1% Tin. RD



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A buddy of mine at work ordered a 45-70 14" muzzle brake barrel today for his TC Contender.....that is just crazy. LOL



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I just dug out an old load for an 1895 Marlin (new model).. I used info from the original Sierra manual.. The one with three levels of loads for 45-70 - Trapdoor , 1886 Win, and Ruger #1 grouped with the "new" 1895 Marlin.

Sierra listed IMR 4895 w/ a 300gr flat nose, using as a starting load 59.2gr for 1950fps and a top load of 61.6 for 2050fps. Both these loads and the one in between were not fun!! I'm not sure that these loads are listed today. You might want to check if you're tempted to use them!!

With a 3X Weaver, two groups of three shots each touched each other at 50 yards with the 59.2gr load.

I finally settled on 50.2gr 4895 wth this bullet for a listed 1700fps. Almost as accurate, but a lot easier to shoot.

The target is dated 9-3-74.



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I tried 51 gr of IMR 4895 with the 405 grain. Tolerable but not enjoyable in the Handi Rifle. RD



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handi-rifle seems to refer to the ease of carrying said rifle not shooting stout loads imho:cool:



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BEAR wrote: while I like the classic cast bullet and BP, the BP has soooo many corrosive issues that I keep it for front loaders only.

Bear not sure where you came up with that nonsense, but that's just exactly what it is... nonsense.:shameon:

 My wife and I use 1-2 25 lb cases of black powder a year in our rifles for bpcr competition shooting. There is no corrosion problems in any of our rifles, or our cartridge brass. Just a matter of a good clean up followed by a light oil in the bore. Wash the cases in a soap and water solution, and tumble when dry, or just run them thru a thumlers tumbler with ceramic media and a shot of simple green and then rinse and dry.

Pyrodex and the other fake crap can wreck a gun and cartridges in the blink of an eye, but the common internet blather about bp being so terrible corrosive, is just so much uninformed bs.:confused:



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hey RD I chrono'd those trailboss loads today 5 shots went983-1008fps, withaccuracy in the 1.5 neighborhood @100yds,not too shabby.
THAT should be a little easier on the shoulder with the handi-rifle.
405lfn, starline brass, wlr, 13gr trailboss out of a guide gun



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Thanks Katch. I've tried some TB loads and they are fun for plinking but I'm looking for 15-1600 fps for hunting. I just have to tolerate the bruising. Those Gays Mills Ocooch Mountain bucks are a bit bigger than you guys see up dere in da nort' country. LOL. RD



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the 45-70 just begs to be shot with (real) BP......AND the recoil is way lots less then your smokeless powder loads....

I agree with Ranch13 on the clean up etc.....at the range I actually run a patch or 3 down the bbl of my BPCR or Trapdoor with regular old Hoppe's #9 to get it home for a real cleaning. I take a jug of a dash of dish soap & water to put the brass in AFTER I deprime with a universal decapper die and Lee hand press.  That too holds til I can get 'em home for a real cleaning.  I use 535gr Postells in the BPCR and 405's in the trapdoor. Did I mention that the recoil is more of a push then a slam on the shoulder too. 


Oh
, maybe you have heard by now.....smokeless powder is just a passing fad........:cool:



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yep big-uns are a rare breed around these parts for sure RD, I grew up hunting deer in Iowa on private land so it was a bit of a shock when we moved up here.
We got a line on two really nice bucks, but they are 5 mi apart!
oh well have to substitute volume of deer for lack of mass:thumbs:



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i use imr 4198 in my marlin. i push the 350 grain hornady flat point up just about 2000. I have a 1x4 leupold on mine and i have come quit close to moa with it.
I set my rifle up with detachable rings and a pop up peep in the rear base. great fun.
not the best idea to rut the scope on 4 power at the bench though. I shot a 1.1 inch group at 100 yards with blood in my eye.
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My friend, you have started a great thread...I own 2 .45/70's and play with lots of loads. My favorite hunting load is:
Starline brass
Federal 210 primer
Hornady 300 grain jacket H.P.
IMR 4198 with 48.8 grain charge
Average vel. is 2050 fps
Three shot group at 50 yd. is .63"
Rifle used is Marlin 1895
Scope is a Vortex Diamond Back.

Backup powder is Varget.



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I have a 444 Marlin that I have been working with, but after reading some of this, I am really going to be interested in the 1895 guide gun with those heavier bullets!



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Just for laughs, here is a great economical smokeless load with a cast bullet that you may want to try in 45/70.  I haven't seen it printed anywhere, but it was told to me by a member of the ASSRSA at the Milwaukee NRA Convention years ago.

I asked him, "What is a good cast bullet load for 45/70 using a Lyman 385 gr  cast bullet and smokeless powder in a Ruger #1, if you don't want to use a filler or a wad?"

His immediate reply was, "Try 9 or 10 grains of Winchester 231, no filler, no wad, with that bullet."

So I did, and they are loafing along at around 1000 fps, and they shoot holes nearly touching at 100 yards, day after day, in my #1 with a Redfield 1 3/4 to 4x on 4 power.

Ladies and children love this load b/c there is virtually no recoil, and ringing steel plates at 100 yards results in such a satisfying "boooiing".

To rezero for my jacketed hunting load, I simply go down 16 clicks from the cast load to return to 100 yard zero using a Remington 300 gr. hollow point at roughly 1900 fps.

 



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