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30-06 Ackley Improved
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 Posted: Sat Aug 13th, 2011 04:18 PM
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I've got on order from ER Shaw a Mark VII in .30-06 AI.  I just got my dies in the mail and started thinking to myself.  Where am I going to get load data?  As it's not in my Nosler or Lyman load books.  I figured I'd start at close to max load data after fire forming the cases and Chrony these to see how fast they are compared to how well they group. 

If anyone has any other options or suggestions, I'd like to hear them.  I'd like to be prepared when my new rifle shows up.



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P.O. Ackley published data in his 2-volume handbook. I've got a copy if I can find it. The data he published is very hot. Proceed very carefully and take it with a grain of salt. I also found it listed in Speer's manual #8 and I have it available.  Speer's data is much more realistic than Ackley's, Speer's data might even be a little conservative depending on your rifle. E-bay has a Speer #8 manual up for bid now, one day left. Should be able to buy it under $10.

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Here is an online resource. There are both verified and unverified loads. It should give you an idea of where to start.
http://www.reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=59



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You might try here: http://stevespages.com/308_23.html

AS usual start low and work up. RD



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I have been shooting the 30-06 AI since the late '80s. I have recipes for 110 gr. varmint loads (crazy right), 165 gr., 180 gr., and 200 gr. Let me know what you might be interested in and I will pm them to you.

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180gr Muley, and thanks for pointing out the other resources guys.



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My nosler #5 has /06 AI loads in it. What powder and weight you looking for and I'll lookup their load for you.



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SS,
I have found excellent accuracy using this recipe;
R-P case
Fed 210 primer
IMR 4831
Hornady 180 gr. btsp

I now use this rifle for a backup gun during hunting season and practice regularly with it loaded with hdy 165 gr. btsp. It shoots very well and stays in the truck during antelope, deer, and elk season in case of a failure with my primary rifle.

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How much quicker do you think a 30-06 AI could be with a 150gr.

How long of a barrel did you order?



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Swampratt,

not to answer for savage shooter but as far as velocity differences between the AI and standard '06, in my experience I have found there is not much difference in lighter bullets but performance is greater as I go up in weight. The little extra powder offered by the 40 degree shoulder is not real significant.

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Nosler #5 lists for 180gr
R22 62 max 58 start
H4831 60 max 56 start
AA3100 61 max 57 start

They show AA3100 as "their" most accurate and RL22 fastest, with H4831 in between.



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RobertMT,

Thanks for the information, I've got the #6 edition of Nosler's manual, I'll have to search it again for AI loads, cause I can't imagine them having it in v5 and not v6.

180 grain pills only btw.

 

** I must be blind as a bat, because sure enough 30-06 AI is in my Nosler v6 on page 382.  I feel like a noob...

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swampratt wrote: How much quicker do you think a 30-06 AI could be with a 150gr.

How long of a barrel did you order?


I ordered it with a 24" barrel.  I'm not sure about the ballistics of the 150gr, as all the researching I've done was for 180gr pills.  My goal is to get to a very specific velocity w/o having to blow my face off or having the hottest load on the block for 180gr.

To answer those questions that I know will be coming, I want 2725 fps at the muzzle with 180gr bullets.  (again, w/o having to blow my face off)



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SavageShooter wrote:
swampratt wrote: How much quicker do you think a 30-06 AI could be with a 150gr.

How long of a barrel did you order?


I ordered it with a 24" barrel.  I'm not sure about the ballistics of the 150gr, as all the researching I've done was for 180gr pills.  My goal is to get to a very specific velocity w/o having to blow my face off or having the hottest load on the block for 180gr.

To answer those questions that I know will be coming, I want 2725 fps at the muzzle with 180gr bullets.  (again, w/o having to blow my face off)



Man you are going to be happy then as this can be done in a standard 30-06 with a 24" barrel. That should be a song and dance for you. I would not expect you pushing the 300 mag but you should be able to gain a bit over the standard 06. I think the formula is 1% velocity increase with a 4% increase in charge weight. Matters not a 30 caliber 180 grain bullet at 2725 fps is a hammer out to 300 yards. And if it is long and sleek with the right BC and the right shooter add 200 more. I would start at midrange data with fire formed cases and work up.



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stevekoozer wrote: SavageShooter wrote:
swampratt wrote: How much quicker do you think a 30-06 AI could be with a 150gr.

How long of a barrel did you order?


I ordered it with a 24" barrel.  I'm not sure about the ballistics of the 150gr, as all the researching I've done was for 180gr pills.  My goal is to get to a very specific velocity w/o having to blow my face off or having the hottest load on the block for 180gr.

To answer those questions that I know will be coming, I want 2725 fps at the muzzle with 180gr bullets.  (again, w/o having to blow my face off)



Man you are going to be happy then as this can be done in a standard 30-06 with a 24" barrel. That should be a song and dance for you. I would not expect you pushing the 300 mag but you should be able to gain a bit over the standard 06. I think the formula is 1% velocity increase with a 4% increase in charge weight. Matters not a 30 caliber 180 grain bullet at 2725 fps is a hammer out to 300 yards. And if it is long and sleek with the right BC and the right shooter add 200 more. I would start at midrange data with fire formed cases and work up.

I the rule of thumb from John Barsness is , the velocity will increase in percentage which is one fourth of the percentage of increase of the capacity. With similar pressures.Much of the fantastic increase in the AI data also had higher pressure loads developed for a particular rifle. How much of it is actually pressure tested? To me the "unique"factor far outweighs the velocity increase.

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wheezengeezer wrote:
stevekoozer wrote: SavageShooter wrote:
swampratt wrote: How much quicker do you think a 30-06 AI could be with a 150gr.

How long of a barrel did you order?


I ordered it with a 24" barrel.  I'm not sure about the ballistics of the 150gr, as all the researching I've done was for 180gr pills.  My goal is to get to a very specific velocity w/o having to blow my face off or having the hottest load on the block for 180gr.

To answer those questions that I know will be coming, I want 2725 fps at the muzzle with 180gr bullets.  (again, w/o having to blow my face off)



Man you are going to be happy then as this can be done in a standard 30-06 with a 24" barrel. That should be a song and dance for you. I would not expect you pushing the 300 mag but you should be able to gain a bit over the standard 06. I think the formula is 1% velocity increase with a 4% increase in charge weight. Matters not a 30 caliber 180 grain bullet at 2725 fps is a hammer out to 300 yards. And if it is long and sleek with the right BC and the right shooter add 200 more. I would start at midrange data with fire formed cases and work up.

I the rule of thumb from John Barsness is , the velocity will increase in percentage which is one fourth of the percentage of increase of the capacity. With similar pressures.Much of the fantastic increase in the AI data also had higher pressure loads developed for a particular rifle. How much of it is actually pressure tested? To me the "unique"factor far outweighs the velocity increase.


Hey weeze long time no see hope all is well. It also would seem that the AI cases don't show excess pressures as quickly as the parent cases and thusly those who are getting large increases in speed for the most part are running more pressure than the parent case( somtimes I would suspect really high pressure)I know it is nit picking but only a few of the AI conversions really do give a large performance gain over the parent if pressures are kept in line with a modern firearm. Like the 250 savage case or the 257 roberts. Get rid of that body taper and you can see some real eye opening increases with out going atomic on your load pressures. I thought about the .280 AI but outside of the cool factor it to me just did not make sense. Seen many a report on how close it is to the 7 mag wich is no faint praise but the 7 mag with proper handloads is a thing to behold. Perhaps I am way out in left field wating for a fly ball to come my way but thats my thinking so far.



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I have owned 2 30-06 Ackleys,and if I ever sell my belted 30 I will build another.The Sierra #5 book list several 3000fps loads for the 165 gr.I always felt this was the best bullet for it.I use to load Norma 205 and found it easy to reach 3000+fps.I spent time with Parker in the early 70's and each time I sat down with him I was amazed at his knowledge.I am at this time loading for a 257 AI,a 25-06 AI and a 280 AI.Parker didn't like the 25-06 AI,but with todays powders it shines.



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