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lube , what i use ( by request )
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 Posted: Sun Mar 20th, 2011 09:50 PM
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ummmmm ....

daboone wrote:
Fryboy I see you frequently posting over on Cast Boolits in the lube section. So please share some of your homemade (bullet;)lube favorites.



so it begins ...first i'm not the most gifted writer ( or even lube maker ) and i wasnt really ready to write this ( see prodding above LOLZ ) tho i do have some ongoing research as well as some tried and true

first off allow me to state that many many things have been used for lube and many many things do work , one problem i see ( and i did it at least once ) is the tendency to add everything slick under the sun in there ... on the brite side a bad batch of lube shouldnt be thrown away - sometimes if not too severe it can be saved and in a worse case scenario it makes a dandy flux for smelting and casting , while it's true a good lube can help it wont fix other things wrong such a wrong sized casting or blowing past your alloy's strength rating nor will it make a rough barrel shoot better , there are various debates also about lube hardness/softness , the pro's and con's exist for both sides , because i often would like to store lubed boolits and the fact that my summers can be brutal i prefer the harder higher temp melting lubes , i used to use two lubes from the factory and for my use they worked well , lyman's moly lube which IMHO was dandy for the winter on anything but suffice to also state that it's messy as heck and soft and it has an aroma that i just dont care for but it worked alot better than many i had tried , i used it mostly for pistol and winter time rifle , the other lube is what began my lube seeking knowledge , or should i state the fact that it was discontinued started it ? rooster labs HVR , it's a hard hi-temp melt lube and for hard alloys under high pressures generated it works wonderfully - it also didnt stink and stayed in the grooves - even the un-needed stuff stayed in the grooves assuring me that A. it didnt flake off in chunks and cause my boolits to be affected by the loss of said chunks and B.that there was more than enough lube to do the job
i honestly have to give alot of credit to some fine folks over at cast boolits - they put up with my newb questions and always offered their thoughts , ideas and what worked for them - so thanx amigos and i hope i also managed to help some one in return

next i must mention tumble lubes ... the ease and availability is simply sweet , IMHO they work so well because they cover the whole surface especially the bearing points , yet they're broken down into two groups , a liquid alox or other ( examples lee's liquid alox and white label lubes xlox , and for other rooster labs rooster jacket and various concoctions )
i've used the rooster jacket with decent results as long as i did at least 2-3 coats and didnt push the velocity spectrum too high , in fact i still use it , unlike the liquid alox it dries hard and non-tacky and doesnt gum up my seating die but as i noted it has it's limitations
next would be the alox liquid ....applying thin is best and thick coats never seem to dry ( if then ) and btw ? alox in any form has it's own aroma after all it's mostly burnt grease of some sort and was designed to use umm crud up for undercoating/waterproofing , yet it never seemed to not be tacky plus it covers the whole boolit thus either accumulating dirt/dust or needing to be wiped off - btw ? simply wiping it off wont work :P but a rag slightly dampened with mineral spirits does work , i found it used as directed a pain ( and a ummm odoriferous one at that ) so i used alot more of the rooster jacket for low velocity target stuff like 38 special and 45 acp
a post over at cast boolits changed my mind and my use of the liquid alox
http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=67654
Recluse found a mixture that made it alot less tacky and definitely more bearable plus it works a whole lot better ! thankfully he shared that with us ( my humble thanx amigo ! ) all i can say is try it and you'll be a believer

moving on too more conventional lubes first allow me to share this link , it has a list of alot of the ingredients as wll as various other info and links that are simply priceless
http://www.lasc.us/LubeIngredients.htm

now about my favorite lubes ...and the original question ( didnt think i'd ever get to that did ya ? me either :P )one thing to consider for all lubes is that a little more oil/grease will make a lube softer and a lil more wax ( beeswax/paraffin/carnuba etc ) will make it harder usually with no loss of performance and often an enhancement for the current demands , there is no hard set rule and this is where we all get to play mad scientist ( pretty easy huh ? lolz )

first off black powder lubes ... they often work well for smokeless up to around medium velocity and emmert's is hard to mess up and easy enough to change for varying temps etc the basic recipe is
emmert's
50% beeswax
40% white shortening
10% canola oil
it works rather well but i like to add 2 tablespoons of lanolin to increase the stikki factor , i used this until i found the next lube
dick dastardly's pearl lube classic (slightly modified by me :) )

pearl lube plus

1/3 soy wax flakes
1/3 toilet bowl ring wax
1/3 cheap shortening
(that's the classic recipe )
then i add 2 tablespoons lanolin per pound as well as 2 tablespoons flake carnuba , easy and breezy and cheap and it fills the grooves in my huge maxi balls awesumly , it too works with regular powder up to medium velocity , i havent pushed it yet but perhaps some day ?

moving on to what i'm still working on ...smokeless powder lube ... it really is hard to beat a lube that works as well as Felix Robbin's felix lube does ( ie; FWFL = felix's world famous lube ) from my understanding it's possible to change and substitute a few things and it still works great but i made a large supply of my variation after it passed my torture test , the recipe is in the lasc link , i prefer it with a lil extra beeswax and again the lanolin ( it already has the carnuba ) with the lanolin it's referred to as FWWFL , my last batch is orange hued and i call it ukki orange

next up i use a bit of saeco green , it works well for rifles as well as hi-velocity pistol rounds ( think 357 herret aka 357 mag on steroids , it's also the caliber i use to torture test lubes at least up to rifle velocities ) saeco green is easy to make

saeco green plus ( or whatever color you wish to make it )
1 pound beeswax
1 pound paraffin
1/2 pound of stp
to be fair i believe the original formula called for rcbs case lube oil as opposed to stp but it works , i also add 2 tablespoons each of carnuba wax flakes and lanolin , i refer to it as seaco green plus , to be fair my first batch i used a red crayon for color so my saeco green was red , current batch is green

i still use darr lube but i'm slowly phasing it out - it works great for medium to low velocity pistol rounds but again i improve it and call it darr's improved i also make it a lil thicker than the original recipe of 50/50

darr lube improved
60% paraffin
40% vaseline
and again the same two tablespoons of carnuba and lanolin per pound ( those two ingredients btw i love !! )

there's a couple more that i'm working on , one with some limited micro wax that i affectionately call "green goo " and another made from beeswax fortified furniture polish , the latter is almost too slick and groups seem to open up when too hot , i'm waiting for summer's heat to test it a lil thicker , i also have one more in the works that i havent tested yet it involves lee's liquid alox - i have to use it up somewhere ;P ( whew this chapter BTW ? is far from over ) i'm a novice but i'm having alot of fun as well as learning some things , there's a basic recipe list over at cast boolits and it takes several readings to soak in and in honesty no amount of reading answers all , you actually have to make the stuff and shoot it and tweak it per your best application , there is however alot of knowledge in this thread and well worth repeated reading/studyin'
http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=26524


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Thanks for the tips!



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Excellent info, Fry. You are a gentleman and a scholar! (And a good sharer, too.)



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Very nicely done! I enjoyed the whole read. Good documentations and suggestions. Sure your not a writter?



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Good writeup. There are a jillion lube varients out there, about 10 actually work really well.

That said, I'm looking at a jillion +1, going to try a Sno-Seal based lube, it's beeswax, lanolin, and sillicones. Should be worth a try.



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trickywoo wrote:
Very nicely done! I enjoyed the whole read. Good documentations and suggestions. Sure your not a writter?


ummm yes sir - i'm positive i'm not a writer ...however i do have pen that likes to scribble :wink: i share very few of my scribbles and perhaps have done so here maybe 5 times lolz ( for a hint try this link lolz http://www.handloadersbench.com/view_topic.php?id=15254&forum_id=105&highlight=loob )


umm gee guys ... thanks even tho the thread is about a year old lolz but ... i'm still using a bit of lube as well as having made a couple more , the last is ben's red , it's a lil softer than i normally like ( but that's easily fixable ) and i've read so many good reports on it that i had to try it :cool:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=81031
and my umm variation of it ( which is about post #140 on that thread lolz )
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showpost.php?p=1597884&postcount=140

silicones can be problematic , while sno sneal works great as a "in a pinch" case lube it also can work straight as a black powder lube , my furniture polish attempt had some silicone ( as well as beeswax , orange oil and a couple of other ingredients ) i cant state that it was the silicone's per say that made it too slick but i'm sure that they were at least part of the whole equation , as long as it's not the main ingredient it should be fine



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