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Hello -
I would appreciate any info you guys might have on reloading for / with the following:
(All bullets are LaserCast from the Oregon Trail Bullet Co., (http://www.laser-cast.com/index.html) - they do not publish any composition or hardness data...): I prefer to shoot "hotter" loads, so advice on starting as well as max loads will be very helpful!
I like AA#9 for the .41, .44, and Reloder 7 for the .45-70...I am not sure if these powders will work effectively with the lead bullets...?
.41 Mag, 215 gr. SWC
.44 Mag, 240 gr. RNFP
.45 ACP, 200 gr. RN
.45-70, 300 gr. FP
Thx in advance for any hints / tips / tricks you might have - I've never loaded or shot any lead, so this will all be new to me!
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i have shot 24 gr H110 with a mag primer behind 240 to 250 gr hard cast in my SBH since 82.about the same as full power factory stuff.everything you want to know can be found in a manual. Last edited on Mon May 4th, 2009 01:05 PM by wheezengeezer
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| Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 01:09 PM |
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Do you know the hardness of the bullets? I have read several articles that speak of this as a potential issue, but there seem to be opposing schools of thought - a lead bullet that is too soft will lead horrendously, or a bullet that is too HARD will do so; I even read one article indicating that a hard bullet will strip the rifling out of a weapon...?!?
I have some 296 floating around, I might back down from your load .5 gr as a starting load....
Thx for the info -
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| Posted: Mon May 4th, 2009 01:26 PM |
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Rausch what they mean by stripping is not that it hurts the rifling but that it pushes through the rifling without getting the spin it needs to stabilize.
You cannot make a lead bullet hard enough to hurt your barrel.
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- now THAT makes sense, as it is obvious that the much-softer metal - lead - won't be able to strip the steel....
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72coupe wrote: Rausch what they mean by stripping is not that it hurts the rifling but that it pushes through the rifling without getting the spin it needs to stabilize.
You cannot make a lead bullet hard enough to hurt your barrel.
That's the way I always understood it. I've yet to get a lead bullet hard enough to hurt one of my barrels. Not saying it can't be done, just never by me. I made some 500 gr for my son-in-law the other day that tested out at 27brnl. They shot just fine, other than he realized he didn't want anymore 500 gr.
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lolz @old fart  experience=what u gotwhen u get what u decided u didnt want in the first place
in my humble opinion lead bullets and "hot loads' isnt a very good combination,especially if one dosnt like the chore of cleaning lead fouled bores,my hotter 44 mags lead loads use a 249 grn(my alloy) gas checked hard alloy boolit,the 45 acp with a 200-230 grain boolit loads to about the threshold of leading ( decent alloy) with a slower powder,a faster powder could indeed raise pressure and leading,rx7 is a great powder for the 45/70 but it also depends on the strength of the action ,it is safe to say that one can cram all the black powder they can in the case and be safe ( in a safe firearm of course) one can use less than a full slightly compressed case but only by inserting wads to make up the difference,black powder works best with no air space in cartridge or front loaders and a slight compression,of the powders u have listed and in the caliber's listed -i cant give u any advice on the 45/70 other than what i have as i know naught ur action and i adamantly caution to err on the side of safety!!!!!!!!! the #9 i load but not as u have listed ,the 296 i do use in 44 mag albeit not with 240 cast, h110 is almost identical to 296 some say it is but i have seen pressure data that says it is extremely close but not quite ,both are also listed as do not go below starting levels ,again IMO max loads and cast boolits isnt in my favor (because i do hate cleaning lead fouled bores)
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Lead bullets cause leading, no matter how hard or soft they are, opinions vary.
If you push a lead bullet way too fast it will ride over the rifling gaining no advantage from the rifling.
For your loads:
41 Mag, 215 gr. SWC, I would use 2400 Powder in this cartridge, try 19 grains
.44 Mag, 240 gr. RNFP, Again I would use 2400, try 21 gains
.45 ACP, 200 gr. RN, Many people use Bullseye in this cartridge, but I prefer WW231. I use 5.7grains
.45-70, 300 gr. FP, Is this a plain base of a gas checked bullet? I use SR 4759 in this caliber for plain base bullets. For Gas Checked bullets you can use Rx9, but I am not sure where to start with this powder.
You may want to back these loads off by 10% and work up from there. The question about hardness is this one, for Magnums Linotype is really prefered, which has a BHN hardness of 22. For 45 ACP, WWs work pretty well, they have a BHN hardness of 12, so how hard are these, it may be worth a phone call.
If you like shooting hotter loads, check out the loading data at the Alliant and Hodgdon loading websites.
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Thx, guys, I really appreciate the info; I think I WILL give the LaserCast guys a call, the hardness seems to be a pretty good bit of data to have! Everybody appears to work with Brinell, is Rockwell not spoken among the reloading communinty as much? (Just curious)....
The .45-70's are PLAIN BASE....
Note: I don't know about the situation where you are at, but we're HURTIN' for components - powder / brass / bullets / primers - are all virtually impossible to get around here (Eagle / Boise, ID); A friend of mine was in Sportsmans Warehouse yesterday, they indicated that they had received 100K of primers on Monday, and were out of them by Tue afternoon when he showed up. The only place I HAVE found primers limits you to 200/type per day....that guy seems to be the only source of powder, as well, so I've been trying to stock up - 296, AA#9, 4835, AA#7,4831, Re7.....I am not sure if the powders you suggested are even available! I may have to extrapolate your data to the powders I have on hand....
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was wondering about the 9mm any very good powders to get the auto slide back with less powder and possibly more punch? 115 gr. rnd nose lead not copper jacketed.
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was wondering about the 9mm any very good powders to get the auto slide back with less powder and possibly more punch? 115 gr. rnd nose lead not copper jacketed.
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i am new to the forum. and would like to recieve some knowledge about cleaning brass i was using a tumbler lyman 1200 auto flow now using the ultra sonic havent used the ultra sonic much. anybody usin these methods? any advice or experiences greatly appreciated.
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For 9mm (9x19) I would use bullseye if you want to stretch the can of powder, start with 3.4 grains if it doesn't cycle the slide, inscrease the load in .5 grain incriments. With 231 powder you can start at 3.0 grains of powder.
This is for the 120 to 124 grain CBs.
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Please note unless you are a very experienced reloader, extrapolating loads from powders other than what current data that is available can be dangerous, you could get a stuck in the barrel bullet or have way to much pressure and every thing in between.
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jerry thank you for the info and the caution i never load even max loads in my manual. i usually punch paper. wooried more about accuarcy more than velocity.
i saw a different powder ive never seen before. the ramshot line of powders. anybody have any experience with these powders?
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Yes I have used Ramshot powder, I have tried the True Blue and it does work well in my 38s, but not that well for accuracy in my 45.
Their TAC powder works really well in 223s for my AR-15
http://www.ramshot.com/powders/
Please remember my pistols and rifles are tuned for certain loads that I have used for many years, the load only changes when the powder changes. So the True Blue and TAC may work different and possibly extremely well for you.
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I live in ca. i finally found a dealer said he had some zip ? ill try a pound see what it does.
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anyone ever use the ultrasonic method of cleaning brass?
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Yes, I have used the ultrasonic method for brass cleaning, why do you ask?
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powderkeg29 wrote:
anyone ever use the ultrasonic method of cleaning brass?
hola amigo ,
one of the nice things that work here is the search when ur logged in , i typed ultra sonic cleaners and pulled up this thread
http://www.handloadersbench.com/view_topic.php?id=3392&forum_id=12&highlight=ultra+sonic+cleaners
there is too much to read in a month in the archives but there is alot of good info ,comments ,opinions and discussion,i may never make it thru all of it but in the last year i have read alot (prolly even threw in a nickel's worth :P)search is as google-our friend ! bottom line ? ultra sound can work and wonderful at that as can various chemicals,i'm kinda of a "love the polished brass look " reloader,so i use a tumbler altho i understand that the inside is still dirty [shrugz]they chamber sweet tho
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