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I have a 44 Mag Hollow point mold and it is not a good mold. I have seen converted molds and very nicely machined HP bullet molds out there, but have heard of anyone that is really happy with the cast bullets these molds produce.
Anyone have any experience with making and shooting HP cast bullets?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 11:04 PM |
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ya a freind of mine used to cast hp's, he was verry happy with the result he got out of them. he was casting a 139gr. swc hp for 38/357.
he used to get 1" groups at 50 yard out of a smith and wesson M10
i have no idea what he was loading them on however i remember that what ever it was it was very dirty, like unique.
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Am going to try my hand at boring a HP into some 45s. Do not see why it would not work. Can make a simple jig so the depths will be constant and centered. wc
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 11:29 PM |
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=6,
I use my Forsters reamer for doing that, it holds a center and gives you some depth control.
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Have a pic or link Jerry??? wc
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miestro_jerry wrote: =6,
I use my Forsters reamer for doing that, it holds a center and gives you some depth control.
Jerry
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23rd, 2009 04:36 AM |
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Never used the Forster's hollow pointer, but do have and use a hollow pointer for .22 LR I bought years ago from a small (one man!) machine shop. Works well, just need to dig thru my tools and find it now.
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Good stuff, thanks. I have a Forester Co-Ax loader. Did not know they made so much stuff. wc
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I did a lot of casting for both rifle and handguns when I started, back in the mid 60s. Tried one hollow point mold, Lyman, and a Forster Hollow Pointer (which I stiil have but haven't used for over 30 years) for a bit of experimentation. While I would never discourage such things, I didn't have much luck at it. In fact my results duplicated what I was reading in the Rifleman and other such in the hey-day of good gun magazines.
Basic problem is that at handgun speeds it's very difficult to obtain any significant or consistant effect with ANY bullets. Jacketed bullets with a lot of exposed lead in a light jacket, any point configuration, does better than any cast bullet. We MUST cast bullets somewhat hard if we plan to push them over about 700 fps and harder bullets rarely expand, the hollow points mostly just scrub off in the "targets".
I had a huge sawdust pile from an old abandoned saw mill to test my reloads on at that tine. Used as a backstop, it was perfect to show check accuracy, penatration AND expansion. (Sadly, it rotted away so I lost my test range!) From those experiments, I determined that hard cast SWC game bullets would be the best, no expansion needed. Haven't shot enough game with a handgun to prove it, but I'm still satisfied with the Keith design, driven hard.
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I cast several bullets that are hollow points. All but one are Lyman molds. They are the #3118, #358315 and #458122. The non-Lyman mold is a SAECO with no number that casts four 44 caliber hollow point bullets. I have not done any serious casting with that one yet as the screw that holds the sprue plate was broken and I had to send it to Redding who now makes the SAECO molds. The few bullets that I did run from that mold came out OK, at least as to proper fill out and no spurious cavities inside the hollow point area.
A couple of things I found out that make a difference when casting HP bullets is use a slight bit more tin and heel that pin that makes the hollow point hot. The hotter the better.
I don't necessarily agree than handgun bullets must be harder than an IRS agent's heart. Elmer Keith's pet loads used a 16 to 1 lead and tin alloy even in his pet .44 magnum. That's not all that hard as lead alloys go, but proper fit to the firearm is very important if leading is to be either eliminated or at least kept to a minimum.
Jerry. Just out of curiosity, which HP mold are you having trouble with? Is it the hollow itself or the whole mold in general?
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This problem child is a Lee mold, I do have a couple of Lyman ones that work well.
With the Lee HP mold, I think making the alloy harder and then heat the alloy up to the point they will cast sort of frosty may do the trick, I will have to experiement.
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thaz what i do to my lee's and lymans,i also add a lil extra lead to that mix, takes a bit to get the core pin warmed up but once there with a decent pace i usually get keepers,used to have a 225 hollowpoint 45 acp mold ..had the oddest looking hollow point but was the best lee hollow pointer i had(almost looked like the pin was a hexagon as if it was made with a allen wrench for the pin when one looked in the hole( but not the pin)if using hot alloy it's best to drop them base first(seems it can wiggle around on the pin and make off center holes) i dont quench these,being a lil softer helps the expansion ,
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