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In the event you didn't get our humor, we are chuckling at your calling a "case" a "cartridge." The language is just part of the learning curve, no offense intended! A cartridge is the loaded round, a case is what's left to be reloaded again. 
Case life is HIGHLY variable and depends on several things, not just pressure. In fact, in my experience, pressure is likely the smallest cause of case failure. Poor FL sizing technique is probably the major case of failure. Life typically runs from 4-6 for either case, but with proper reloading techniques you can stretch that by three or four times more.
The old but still quite reliable .30-06 keeps embarassing younger shooters by doing anything most .300 mags can do. I wouldn't use it by choice for Alaskan Browns or Grizzlys but for everything else the -06 would be all I would ask - and that's why I have that even tho I could have gotten a mag of some kind for the same price.  Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:07 AM by Busted
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Im 27 busted and i dont like the recoil of the 300 win mags :) 06 works for me im simple. Beside if you cant kill it with a 06 its cause your a piss poor shot lol Just teasing by the way Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 03:05 AM by
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For most critters in North America, the 30-06 is generally the right cartridge, even the 308 loaded with the right bullet can do the job.
I own a 300 RUM, it is a big recoil rifle for a 30 caliber, but it can reach out and touch some one at great range and inflict a mortal blow.
My middle son elk hunts with a 308 loaded with a Barnes 165gr. TSX, but he generally is between 40 and 60 yards. I like being a little further away for larger bears and for moose, so I use the 300 RUM.
But that 300 RUM will do a mean job on a coyote at 100 yards.
Jerry
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theres a guy up here that has a wild tame black bear that stays in his yard and eats catfood with the cats lol he said it only tried to attack him once and he hit in the side with a claw hammer lol thought it was funny. its fat little 3 year old sow apparantly.
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We have or had a displaced bear in the area, with recent pipeline construction the wild life has shifted and a guy down the road found a bear in his garbage cans. He wanted to know if I would come down and shoot it. I asked if was corned by the bear, he said no, why? I told him that is the only time I can shoot a black bear here. He said he could arrange to be cornered.
It still hasn't happened, but nothing really earth shattering has to be used to dispatch the bears around here. But maybe I will keep the 300 RUM in the van if I have to run over and get him uncornered. Some of the blacks in the region have gotten to be over 600 pounds.
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They say Jerry that a black bear if he acquires the taste for killin and flesh is more aggressive then a grizzly. Lots of old ranchers shoot black bears in rememberance of the sheep era when the bears slaughtered sheep by the score. Attitude about things such as bears and wolves etc has alot to do with personal experience and region. I personally have nothin against the bears they cause few problems nowadays. Wolves on the other hand...If i get one in my sights hes toast and that is legal in Montana even with a worthless liberal like max baucus representing the state in the senate that law made it thru. Last edited on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 04:05 AM by
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How many rounds have you put through your 300 RUM? I had a custom gun builder tell me that it would wear out the barrel after 250 rounds resulting in 4" groups.
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Busted wrote: In the event you didn't get our humor, we are chuckling at your calling a "case" a "cartridge." The language is just part of the learning curve, no offense intended! A cartridge is the loaded round, a case is what's left to be reloaded again.
Case life is HIGHLY variable and depends on several things, not just pressure. In fact, in my experience, pressure is likely the smallest cause of case failure. Poor FL sizing technique is probably the major case of failure. Life typically runs from 4-6 for either case, but with proper reloading techniques you can stretch that by three or four times more.
The old but still quite reliable .30-06 keeps embarassing younger shooters by doing anything most .300 mags can do. I wouldn't use it by choice for Alaskan Browns or Grizzlys but for everything else the -06 would be all I would ask - and that's why I have that even tho I could have gotten a mag of some kind for the same price.
Hey, no offense taken! If I knew everything I wouldn't be on this forum. What is poor FL sizing technique?
I'm looking at buying a Sauer 202 Classic XT in 30-06 to use on everything except dangerous game.
Do you know of anyone who has used a 9.3x62mm on brown bear? I've been doing some reading on this CARTRIDGE (LOL) and it is a very interesting one. The ballistics are quite impressive.
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Patriot7,
I have about 110 rounds thru my RUM, but the estimated life of the barrel is between 700 and 1,000 rounds.
Plus is I rebarrel it, it will either stay a 300 RUM or it will become 338 RUM.
Jerry
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miestro_jerry wrote: Patriot7,
I have about 110 rounds thru my RUM, but the estimated life of the barrel is between 700 and 1,000 rounds.
Plus is I rebarrel it, it will either stay a 300 RUM or it will become 338 RUM.
Jerry
How do they rebarrel for the same caliber if the barrels is worn out?
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MontanaShooter wrote: They say Jerry that a black bear if he acquires the taste for killin and flesh is more aggressive then a grizzly. Lots of old ranchers shoot black bears in rememberance of the sheep era when the bears slaughtered sheep by the score. Attitude about things such as bears and wolves etc has alot to do with personal experience and region. I personally have nothin against the bears they cause few problems nowadays. Wolves on the other hand...If i get one in my sights hes toast and that is legal in Montana even with a worthless liberal like max baucus representing the state in the senate that law made it thru.
Thee was an article inOutdoor Life magazine back in the mid 1970's as I recall on bears and bear attacks. Statisically, you aremore likely to be stalked, killed and eaten by a Black Bear than one of the other species, unless you live in Polar bear country.
Jack O'Connor in one of his books stated tht in a part of british columbia,an Indian tribe was decimated by disease and the survivor took the dead and dying ot away from the camp. Grizzly Bears in the area became accustomed to human flesh and started stalking and hunting healthy humans. Appartently they were still a problems when he hunted there.
I always get a bit of a kick when people feel the 30-06 is not enough gun for the great bears. What do you think people used before the mighty magnum came on the scene? Game Warden Hosea sarber used either a .270 Win. or 30-06 to handle problem bears in Alaska. He disapeared one day andhis body was never found. The speculation was either one of the great bears got him or he was murdered by salmon poachers and his body dumper far out to sea.  Guess we'll never know on that one. I'm inclined to go with the latter theory as he was know to be an extremely good shot.
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The last hunting trip I took to northern Quebec, my guide was carrying a 303 Brit Enfield, he and has father had taken many elk, bear and moose with this rifles and ones like it. But some times it took several shots to being down the bigger animals.
Where his customers use a bigger caliber rifle and generally need only one shot for the larger animals.
I don't need a 375 RUM or some of the other thunder boomer, but a 300 Mag of some times gives me more confidence that one shot will be all I need. If it a bear that had attack people, I want the hunting to be one shot one kill.
Jerry
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