J.Fish
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My minimum carry is a Taurus 32 mag. The other is either of my two 45 acps.
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Dragon88
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ghrit wrote: D-88, you could google up Marshall and Sanow's work on stopping power, not recent but oft quoted. If I had a link, I'd post it. I'd bet a mason jar full of your fave that load is given.
Edit to add: http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=8&Weight=All
Confirmed, it is there.
Very interesting. Going by that, with my 38 spl +P Hydrashoks, I have a 33% chance of needing a second shot or a bad guy smart enough to stay down when wounded. If I draw my 1911 with 230gr +P that's reduced to 8-10%. Of course, these statistics don't factor in shot placement. I can't imagine anyone continuing to fight after taking a .45 +P through the upper chest.
I carried concealed for the first time today. Good thing with all these shootings going on! My IWB holster worked well, though sitting having lunch I realized I need to increase my practice distances at the range another 10 yards. I'd also love to practice firing through barriers such as glass but don't really have a way to do that.
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thats a real interesting link. Looks like the winner of my lot for stopping power is the 44 magnum which isnt to shocking of course. I thought it was real interesting though the stats on how many shootings the 30 carbine round had been in outside of wars compared to many other rounds statistically scored and more common.
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I think this studies are great information, but not all of are exactly the same situations.
If I hit some one in the chest at 5 feet with a 38 +P, they are going to be hurt badly. If the perp is 300 pounds of bubber, they may noy have as much damage as some one who is 140 pounds. To really put some one down on the ground, shoot them in the knee. The laws in Ohio afford us some protection from law suits when the other person is threaten our family or entering our home against our wishes.
It is my belief that you must kill this perp to avoid all the lawyer crap. As that I don't live in the city and my sheriff is down to a 50% staff, the LEOs can't help me.
The situation in Florida, is different, I would shoot to kill if some one opened fire in a place I was at.
I never tell anyone when I am carrying, even if they ask me. Guess how often I carry, of course all the time.
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OldStuffer
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| Location: | Newton, Kansas USA |
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Dragon88 wrote: ghrit wrote: D-88, you could google up Marshall and Sanow's work on stopping power, not recent but oft quoted. If I had a link, I'd post it. I'd bet a mason jar full of your fave that load is given.
Edit to add: http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=8&Weight=All
Confirmed, it is there.
Very interesting. Going by that, with my 38 spl +P Hydrashoks, I have a 33% chance of needing a second shot or a bad guy smart enough to stay down when wounded. If I draw my 1911 with 230gr +P that's reduced to 8-10%. Of course, these statistics don't factor in shot placement. I can't imagine anyone continuing to fight after taking a .45 +P through the upper chest.
I carried concealed for the first time today. Good thing with all these shootings going on! My IWB holster worked well, though sitting having lunch I realized I need to increase my practice distances at the range another 10 yards. I'd also love to practice firing through barriers such as glass but don't really have a way to do that.
You should stop in a local IDPA club and check them out.
We shoot, from concealed carry, from 3 feet to 20 yards or so, typical is 7 to 12 yards. "You were carrying concealed when...." scenario type setups, some kinda realistic, some not so much, but it is kept fun that way. From time to time, you have to shoot while moving, or sitting down, use either hand, use cover, determine threat priority, ocxcasionally have to take a head shot, not shoot a "non-threat" who is fool enough to keep standing in the way, and generally keep your brain at least 1/2 step ahead of your trigger finger (mighty hard when you get a bottom feeding self-shucker running @ top speed, I know  ).
Mostly stock, non-compensated/ported guns, 9mm minimum, more detailed rules availble @ the website.
idpa.com, they have a club locator on the site. IMO it is great practice for actual concealed carry.
I normally use my 1911 and the IWB holster I carry with, but, because I change holsters sometimes, my belt slide comes out, as does my Witness Compact in it's Belt Slide (can't use the shoulder rig in IDPA, muzzle sweep safety issues ya know)
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OldStuffer
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Yes, lab data and studies are guidelines, useful information, but should not ever be the end-all-be-all decision-maker for much of anything.
Heck, some lab data showed the 147 grain subsonic 9mmP loading was a great stopper, back in the 1980's. Reality turned out a wee scad differently.
One thing in my mind as well is the likelihood that, a "modern" perp is, IMO, highly likely to be "chemically modified", and, in such condition, I want maximum effort applied to him, to help him "focus" on my "issues" with the situation he has seen fit to create. Larger calibre "attention concentrator" as opposed to a smaller one. 
And, as maestro said, nobody knows if I am carrying or not at the moment, even my wife, unless she sees me get dressed, does not know (like if we meet for dinner instead of leaving the house together), although she can safely assume, and generally be correct, that I am. 
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yankeebillie
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nothing smaller than 44 mag if i can't hitem by gosh i ruin there ears
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