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Got this email thought I'd share it ,sounds like a good idea to me. (need more states like Vermont)
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment
> to the U...S. Constitution, as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very
> carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping
> some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.
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> Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and
> require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become
> the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about
> unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.
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> Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only
> the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate
> to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the
> Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by
> the government as well as criminals. Vermont 's constitution states
> explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of
> themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously
> scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent."
> Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to
> arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation
> that may arise."
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> Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required
> to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's
> license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government
> interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they
> be asked to do so," Maslack says
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> Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least
> restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state that
> allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This
> combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted
> in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.
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> " America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the
> system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
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> This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay
> taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns.
> Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
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> " I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of
> the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by
> violent and sudden usurpations."
> -James Madison-
a--
What part of
"The terrorists intend to kill us"
Don't you get?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 12:31 AM |
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i like the idea too and let's make'em pay it every year ! ( that ought to help lower some taxes as well as alot of crime ) btw ? welcome to the board amigo ! i realize u been a member for about a week but this is ur first post so we usually welcome the new guys in a new guy thread ( if they post there that is lolz ) ya get a lil bored or something u mite drop by and say hi to everyone ...
http://www.handloadersbench.com/forum86/
i do wish we had more state rep's like this guy tho ! we need some common sense as opposed to the ummm ( what ever it is ) they keep tryin to feed us !
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| Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 12:49 AM |
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Welcome to the forum,
I think the non gun owners should pay for the armed citizens that when the excrement hits the oscillator, we are the line in the sand or the mud or the snow.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 12:57 AM |
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heck if it came to that jerry the ones gun owners and law enforcement protect would just straddle the fence like they always have and wait for someone to save then. Ive read statistics and i cant remember where may have been a glenn beck book i believe about the percentage of patriots, fence straddlers and tories during the revolution and honostly we had them then to. I believe if i remember right 20 percent of the American colonist fought for freedom while most the remaining stood back thinkin when it was over they would pick the winning team. If the stuff hits the fan they wont be any help. We will truly be on our own and guess what if we won when it was over they would be back on our side again being a pain in the rear again. Last edited on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 12:57 AM by
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| Posted: Wed Nov 4th, 2009 02:55 AM |
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I have read a couple of Glenn's books. People who have treated me badly over the years, should take notice that I only have so much ammo, so I have to be selective about who I protect.
One of the things that angers me is people who say things like they don't want to belong to the NRA, but do support the cause. I have heard many excuses, except when it gets down to it they still don't want to belong, I then remind them that they can join the GOA, they are a little more hard line than the NRA. I never seem to get a response after that.
With the current situation, it would next to impossible to form an organization that has many tens of millions of dollar in the bank, millions of members and a bunch of lobbyist in a very short period of time. So I consider these people who don't want to join to be fence sitters that are on the side of freedom when they don't have to do any thing. In my family the NRA is now a 4 generation tradition.
But I swore an oath to defend this country, so I must stick to that oath the best I can. At my age, I would need an ammo barer to help me with all of the equipment I would need to take on ACORN it they tried to become community organizers around here, but my neighbors would probably be standing by my side.
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Amen jerry
wish i could say the same for my neigbhors :) my closest ones wife is a liberal and her husband is a non declared liberal. Most people that have no opinion about the govt and want no part of recognizing the problems seem to lean that way. The rest of the neigbhor... well i wont go into it i would prob get banned :) For any kind of resistance whether it be political or otherwise there would have to be unity. One person stands up against the govt verbally or otherwise and all theyd do is crucify and manipulate the situation and make the person sound to the outside looking in as nut jobs and discredit there credibility as sound minds. And that will be our downfall, cause till people have nothing to lose they wont work together. It could take a very long time till people reach that point and alot of suffering in between.
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During WW II the public had to sacrifice for the war effort and were behind the war.
Korea and Vietnam had little public support and were disasters for the United States.
After 911, people were putting up their American Flags, and we saw a lot of Blue Star and regretably, Gold Star Flags, where are they now?
Kris Kristoferson, formerly a Army Captain and Helicopter pilot, wrote these words
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
That what it will probably take for this country to recognize what is going on. Some people come up to me and say I am doing a good job after I printed that our grossly over paid school superindent seems to have an OMVI conviction. Last year, he got a $20K pay raise, and teachers didn't get anything. But these people are all afraid to speak out. Where I have publicly stated that these folks haven't tried to kill me yet, but freedom will never be silenced because of the few.
In one fashion or another, the United States is rapidly becoming a Police state.
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that last remark rings all too true ...
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I read that only 17% of the populace participated in the American Revolution!
there are 90 million Armed Americans in the United States, if Only 17% participated in a Revolution, that would be 15 million armed and pissed off Americans
make Iraq and Afghanistan look like a picnic!
just something to ponder!
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Its hard to talk to stupid people, when their heads are up their assholes, and that pretty much is all of the GOV. & white/black house. And remember they really don't teach the real history in schools anymore, for the last ten years we got kids that haven't learned or know about vietnam or desert storm or any of that ! God help this country
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I think truth be told they quit teaching the true history of anything before 1900 atleast. They barely teach kids anything about the revolution, the civil wars always about "slavery" rather than states rights, and of course they teach that we were wrong to take this land from it native inhabitants which i am inclined to disagree. Basically they want us to be ashamed of our heritage.
You know what really irks me about there modern teaching methods? Calculators, i mean heaven forbid a kid has to learn how to count 2 + 2 in there head. They emphasize on non essential subjects that most of us never use later or have no place in school blow by the stuff that they need for everyday like basic reading, basic writing and basic arithmatic. Then of course theres the liberal political correct crap that they teach kids. Perfect way to take make a country socialist without ever firing a shot, brain wash them into being liberals before they ever learn how to think.
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Every so often I teach at the local middle school, I use the marker board because they don't have chalk boards and the students are not allowed to use calculators, computers, they get to use just their brains. This is difficult for them, plus they can't multitask very well.
These are the gifted children.
When you take away peoples MTV, video games, ability to go any where at any time in their cars, turn off their cell phones, and many other things, they have nothing to do and generally don't know what to do with themselves. Most of them can be lead around like sheep.
With our elected and appointed people being less than what I want to lead me, many complain about them, but these people are still in their positions.
So if I have to protect people from themselves, should I be like them and say "whats in it for me"?
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I dont have any children but if i did they would be home schooled and held to much higher standards than our current public standards. Partly cause i live 40 miles from a so called good school by the way. Wouldnt send a kid to a any school here. I live on a reservation by the way life is a bit different and often colorful. Needless to say I have a gun for answering the door between the hours of 11 pm-6 am :) Last edited on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 02:40 AM by
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If the Stuff Hits the Fan here in Texas I feel we will suceed from the union first. There is already enough PO'd people here to support it. Montanashooter, I used to live up in your state other than Bozman and Mossula there weren't many libs up there. Too cold for them. What has happened?
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Here in the foot hills of the Appalachian trail we have a congressman, who has openly violated the constitution. He made all sorts of promises when he was running for office and missed the filing deadline. Yet he was the most successful write in candidate in American history.
The guy before him was a crook, got caught taking money and favors, he got things done for his constituency. Yet he went to jail.
The conservative that is planning to run against the current congressman has contacted me about some article that I wrote for the local paper. I told him, like I have told many people I back up my words with facts and the truth. As I have told many who say they have taken the oath to defend the constitution, I didn't see you there in boot camp or in the bush. That oath has much more meaning when you bet your life on it.
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Well Gut shot, Liberals have gotten to be senators up here even look at Max Baucus. Much of it is due to outsiders moving in then trying to make the west in to california or whereever. Theres a lot of these people through Wyoming, Montana, Colorado, Idaho. People with to much money and not enough sense. If you spent one second around a reservation you would find that the majority of the inhabitants are liberals cause naturally thats the people in washington that feed them. We have 7 reservations in the state in fact many quite large, not one pays taxes, but all can vote. Which to my mind is a very dangerous thing. In fact during the election there was a Obama sign in almost every natives yard they even naturalized him into the tribe here when he came here promising more handouts. Furthermore liberalism is a trend that has affected all corners of the world regardless of where your at there in every state. There everywhere its a trend every state suffers from.
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