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Printers type (in trays, not linotype) metal?
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 Posted: Thu Apr 8th, 2010 01:49 PM
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Got a chance to pick up some old printers type in trays for free.  Is this stuff worth messing with for bullet casting?  It's pretty hard and I'm not sure the composition.

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kscchtrainer wrote: Got a chance to pick up some old printers type in trays for free.  Is this stuff worth messing with for bullet casting?  It's pretty hard and I'm not sure the composition.

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Jim, if memory serves, I remember seeing a type setting machine back in the 40s. It was a huge machine with a keyboard attached to a melting apparatus. In the rear of the machine was a chain hoist above a melting pot. When the operator hit a key, a slug of metal with the character on the end dropped into a tray.

On this chain hoist was a long ingot of linotype metal that dropped into the melting pot as needed..

I'm fairly sure that what you have is linotype. You might try to cast with some and see how the bullets come out...:thumbs:



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3006 user wrote: kscchtrainer wrote: Got a chance to pick up some old printers type in trays for free.  Is this stuff worth messing with for bullet casting?  It's pretty hard and I'm not sure the composition.

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Jim, if memory serves, I remember seeing a type setting machine back in the 40s. It was a huge machine with a keyboard attached to a melting apparatus. In the rear of the machine was a chain hoist above a melting pot. When the operator hit a key, a slug of metal with the character on the end dropped into a tray.

On this chain hoist was a long ingot of linotype metal that dropped into the melting pot as needed..

I'm fairly sure that what you have is linotype. You might try to cast with some and see how the bullets come out...:thumbs:



Actually it ain't linotype though it may be what is called Monotype?  It's prepared type for the manual presses that actually goes back before linotype machines, or was used in small print shops that couldn't afford a machine.  The printer and/or his apprentice took the type out of the tray, formatted and assembled it in clamping blocks.  Each tray contained a different font or "point" size of type.  The "printer's devil" (usually a teenage boy) then used a leather pad and daubed ink onto the type which was pressed onto the page by the mechanical press.

It's a bit harder material than linotype if I have it right, probably has more antimony in it.  I've been advised though that it IS lead based, and I'm grabbing all I can get.  I have at least 2 people locally that have some and it looks like I'm gonna be able to come up with a couple hundred pounds of the stuff.  An April Christmas in Kansas!

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http://www.lasc.us/CastBulletNotes.htm Mono is about 9% tin and 19% antimony



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Whether it's linotype or monotype, that's a good score.  I would use it to sweeten wheel weight metal. using straight lino or mono would be a bit of a waste in these days of hard to get bullet metal. My pet alloy is 10 pounds of wheel weights, one pounnd of linotype, (mono will work just fine.) one third cup of chilled or magnum bird shot (for the arsenic which is necessary when heat treating bullets for maximum hardness.) and a three foot piece of 95/5 percent lead free solder. The sold is to add a bit more tin which makes mold fill out easier. Bullets will age harden to about 14 BHN in a couple of weeks. Over treated and then water dropped will get as hard as 31 ro 33 BHN depensing on the arsenic content Straight water dropping from the mold shouid get you somewhere between 20 and 25 on the BHN scale.

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Paul B wrote: Whether it's linotype or monotype, that's a good score.  I would use it to sweeten wheel weight metal. using straight lino or mono would be a bit of a waste in these days of hard to get bullet metal. My pet alloy is 10 pounds of wheel weights, one pounnd of linotype, (mono will work just fine.) one third cup of chilled or magnum bird shot (for the arsenic which is necessary when heat treating bullets for maximum hardness.) and a three foot piece of 95/5 percent lead free solder. The sold is to add a bit more tin which makes mold fill out easier. Bullets will age harden to about 14 BHN in a couple of weeks. Over treated and then water dropped will get as hard as 31 ro 33 BHN depensing on the arsenic content Straight water dropping from the mold shouid get you somewhere between 20 and 25 on the BHN scale.

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Got one type case of it a few minutes ago.  It's apparently Hamilton foundry type as the case drawer is labeled Hamilton and it's pretty old, dates back into the late 40's early 50's according to the guy I got it from.

Jim

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Nice. I noticed some of that type seems to have a white coating on it. If it appears to be powder like, be very careful handling it as it is most likely lead oxide which is the dangerous part of working with lead. The powder can be breathed into your lungs and can be absorbed into the skin and will lead to lead poisoing. Either use some throw away latex gloves when handling oxidized lead or pliers and a breathing mask to prevent inhaling that stuff. Better be safe than sorry.

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Paul B wrote: Nice. I noticed some of that type seems to have a white coating on it. If it appears to be powder like, be very careful handling it as it is most likely lead oxide which is the dangerous part of working with lead. The powder can be breathed into your lungs and can be absorbed into the skin and will lead to lead poisoing. Either use some throw away latex gloves when handling oxidized lead or pliers and a breathing mask to prevent inhaling that stuff. Better be safe than sorry.

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Thanks for the heads-up on lead oxide Paul.  I was a chemistry major in college before getting into electronics in the army.  What you see in the pix is a bright sunlight reflection off several pieces of the type as I took that picture outside my garage door, in very bright noontime sun.  If anything, it's reflecting off the printer's ink coating on some of the pieces.  Sure looks like white stuff in the pix though.

Just got back from another type score - 50 pounds of monotype (and this is monotype for sure) to go along with the tray of foundry.  Soon as I hear back from the guy I got the foundry type from, I'm going over to his place with a pickup truck and come home with a whole cabinet full of the stuff - probably 200 pounds of it and the guy I got the monotype from wants to buy the cabinet for small part & tool storage for his garage machine shop.

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even the printer trays are a trendy lil item good score amigo ! :thumbs:



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Wow! Great score....that will feed those guns for a bit!
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Thecyberguy wrote: Wow! Great score....that will feed those guns for a bit!
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Well, it might have been a good score, but I only get the one tray I pictured.  He has decided to try and sell the other 30+ trays (no cabinet, just the trays) for $1.00 a pound.  I don't think he'll get that much, but he says he's got around a half ton by weight.  No way I could afford to give him that much, so I'll just be satisfied with what I did get which is about 15 pounds of type metal.

I told him wheel weights were selling for around 35 cents a pound and I offered him 40 cents a pound for 100 pounds of the stuff, but he didn't seem too interested.  I wish him luck getting his buck a pound.  I did tell him that the cases themselves were worth quite a bit more than the type in them.

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Jim, This stuff is very dangerous. Fortunately I own and operate several lead, antimony, monotype and linotype disposal systems in variious cal... um I mean sizes. Prior to disposal I'll melt them and combine them in combinations that will increase the efficiency and efficacy of their disposal. If you just send them my way I'll take care of it all for you. :wink::sofa: Rockydog



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Jim,

The scrap yard closest to me in Portland is getting $1.00/lb. and they only have about 400 lbs left. They say they are not getting any in from anyone, because nobody uses it anymore.
They want .70/lb for wheel weights.

There are guys on EBAY selling Lino for more than a buck a pound plus shipping. Not sure if they are selling it for that much, but that is what they have it listed for.

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A good reason that lately I have been thinking,"bullet trap"



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Me too Wheezen!!! Me too!



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Finally got around to smelting the two boxes of monotype I got a while back.  Wound up with 37lbs of "muffins" out of it and it's nice and shiny.  Skimmed quite a bit of cruddy metal off the top that got soft but didn't really wanna melt.  Zinc?  Don't know, but it weighed about 5 pounds after it cooled.  I just threw it in with the dross from several other smelts and I'll let the trash guy take it to the recycler.

I haven't done the "tray" of foundry type yet, but that's next.  I kinda wanted to keep it separate from the mono until I got a chance to check the hardness of the alloy. 




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kscchtrainer wrote: Finally got around to smelting the two boxes of monotype I got a while back.  Wound up with 37lbs of "muffins" out of it and it's nice and shiny.  Skimmed quite a bit of cruddy metal off the top that got soft but didn't really wanna melt.  Zinc?  Don't know, but it weighed about 5 pounds after it cooled.  I just threw it in with the dross from several other smelts and I'll let the trash guy take it to the recycler.

I haven't done the "tray" of foundry type yet, but that's next.  I kinda wanted to keep it separate from the mono until I got a chance to check the hardness of the alloy. 





I hesitate to mention this, but IMO, the dross may have been antimony. It won't melt at the temp of lead or tin, with good fluxing  the antimony remains in suspension in the melt...



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i tend to agree with the antimony ..if it's metal and it's coming out ....it's prolly the good stuff ,if it was zinc u'd have a heck of a time casting good boolits out of it ( at least mixed with lead ) sulfur seems to be what i read takes zinc out of an alloy if it's already mixed in



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