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30-30 Black Powder Loads
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 Posted: Fri Aug 6th, 2010 08:55 PM
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I have a TC Contender in 30-30.

I have a couple of pounds of Pyrodex that I would like to use in this gun, but have never shot any BP or substitutes in a brass case.

Can anyone share the basic how to's - I do load smokless - but would like to try this.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 6th, 2010 10:40 PM
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30 years ago i loaded pyrodex in some bottleneck cases.I would fill the 30/30 case to at least the middle of the neck to get some powder compression.Clean the brass soon after firing as well as the gun or corrosion will result.



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If you're dead set on trying it better use cast bullets with a blackpowder lube. Only gonna get about 45grs. in that cartridge...oughta be good for head shooting squirrels and rabbits.



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Cast bullets and a soft, BP type lube. Every rifle is an individual, but the usual fast twist doesn't help BP in the accuracy dept.



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One of the main reasons the .32 Win. Spl. came with a 1 in 16" twist barrel was the 1 in 12" twist of the .30WCF AKA 30-30 would foul out so quickly that accuracy went down the toilet. I dunno if the same would happen with Pyrodex but I suppose there is only one way to find out. :confused: The suggestion to use lead bullets and clean thoroughly with hot water is a good one, at least if you want to keep that barrel. I know that with black powder, most people at the range have a water bottle on hand to drop their brass into after shooting. I know you have to do that with black powder for sure but not sure about Pyrodex. Might as well do it just to be on the safe side. I stick with black powder or Pyrodex strictly in my muzle loaders. which don't get shot all that much as I hate cleaning the darn things. :wink:

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the Pyrodex site suggests:

Pyrodex In Cartridges: The mechanics of reloading metallic cartridges are quite simple, but there is one requirement of the modern shooter that cannot be overlooked. The modern loader must set aside his knowledge of loading with smokeless powders and embrace the ways of years gone by. It must always be remembered that blackpowder and Pyrodex are very inefficient powders by today's standards. The methods described here are consistent with good loading practices for Pyrodex and should be followed without regard to smokeless loading practices.

Pyrodex works best in straight walled cases, but it will work satisfactorily in bottle necked cartridges as long as our warnings are observed.

WARNING: Never allow an air space in any cartridge loaded with Pyrodex. The loading density must be 100% by light compression. 100% loading density may be accomplished in two ways:

The case is filled with powder to a level that will provide light compression of the powder (1/16" to 1/8") when the bullet is seated. Bottle necked cases must be loaded in this manner.

In straight walled cases, filler wads may be used to reduce the powder charge. This is done by inserting card or Polyethylene wads between the base of the bullet and the powder. Wads should be sized to the internal diameter of the cartridge case. The loader must be careful to insure that there are no void spaces in the assembled cartridge. NEVER use any other type of filler material. Be careful as loads are reduced. At some point, the bullet will fail to exit the bore.

When loading cartridges with Pyrodex or Triple Seven, you may use a powder measure designed for smokeless powders.

Pyrodex does produce a corrosive residue from combustion. Even though this fouling is softer than the fouling produced by blackpowder, firearms should be cleaned after each use. Hodgdon Powder Co. recommends the use of natural cleaning solvents.

Cartridge cases that have been fired using Pyrodex require special care. As soon as possible after firing, cases should be de-primed and immersed in 50% water and white vinegar. The acidity of the vinegar will neutralize the corrosive residues remaining in the case. Care should be taken to limit the soaking time of the cases in the vinegar to 10 minutes. Soaking for a longer time may cause etching of the brass case resulting in shortened case life. Rinse cases with clear water, dry and polish in a tumbler with corncob or walnut shell media.

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I realize that this thread is now ten months old. It did, however, catch my eye this morning.
Every now and then I have a yen to put BP into a case designed for smokeless loads. I have only ever done this with pistol cartridges.
I was wondering how this project turned out.
Both the .30-30 and the 32 Winchester Special were smokeless designs. Barnes has a very brief discussion of the .32 Win and BP in CotW but, to my knowledge, neither the .32 nor the .30-30 were ever offered in a factory BP loading.
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Pete D. wrote: I realize that this thread is now ten months old. It did, however, catch my eye this morning.
Every now and then I have a yen to put BP into a case designed for smokeless loads. I have only ever done this with pistol cartridges.
I was wondering how this project turned out.
Both the .30-30 and the 32 Winchester Special were smokeless designs. Barnes has a very brief discussion of the .32 Win and BP in CotW but, to my knowledge, neither the .32 nor the .30-30 were ever offered in a factory BP loading.
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That's true. Both were smokless powder cartridges. However factories frowned on people reloading ammo witht he current smokeless powers for several reasons. First, and I'll stick to the 30-30 and .32 WSPL. Primeres of the day were mecuric and corrosive and the mercury would destroy a cartridge case. Black powder loads would absorb a good deal of the mercury so there was no problem reloading those woth the proper grain size balck powder. I've found old 30-30 casing out in the desert both hear in Arizona and in Nevada when I lived there. If it had a very old headstamp, you could crush that shell between two finger without much strain. Apparently, because pressure with black powder were much less than the very fast smokeless powders of the day, the 30-30 and 32 WSPL could be reloaded with black powder. The 1in 12" twist rate of the 30-30 would foul out the barrel in less that a magazine full worth of shots. The .32 on the other hand had the 1 in 16" twist of the earlier 32-40 and woulf not foul out anywhere near as fast. That slower twist is also one reason a .32 WSPL with shoot cast bullets very nicely at BP velocities and very well even up to a full power load.

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would Trail Boss help you meet your needs without geting BP problems?



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Paul: Thanks. That's a great bit of history.

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