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 Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 04:03 PM
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Shot a deer, only one round fired.  I've been cleaning a dirty bore for two days just to get powder residue out.   Used all imaginable cleaning fluids, just a dirty bore.

What is the cleanest burning powder in you opinion?



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should specify if for pistolas rifles or both , usually something such as a good carb cleaner will cut the carbon ( gumount and berry's come to mind ) smooth bores also help , i had a old 38 WCF with a few pits - that dude took forever to clean , i've also noted that with some powders optimum loads seen to help ( ie; lite or heavy loads seem to leave more residue - this seems to hold true even with black powder ) sometimes even assuring that there is adequate crimp can help as well but there are some powders that are dirtier than others , varget for me seems fairly clean burning as does ww748 , a few others come to mind ( but unique isnt one of them lolz )



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Rifle. I use varget a lot. But the rifle is a 300 RUM and gulps powder.

Fry, it is very interesting that you mention Varget as a "clean powder". that has been my conclusion also, after 4 years of using it in 243/260/308/7x57. I like it.

But lots of sites on the net have shooters saying it is extremely dirty. Not for me.



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some of it i'm sure amigo goes back to that optimum load part plus the degree of crimp and resistance helping to build the pressure thus consuming the powder better , i've seen quite a few loads from the factory that shoot clean yet when i duplicate or rather try to duplicate with what the factory list comes out much dirtier than the factory loads did , some of the newer slower powders mite be worth a look in that big ol case , they seem to try to improve them all the time including the clean part aspect of it [shrugz]



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Bear, what powder were you using?

The graphite buildup from powders seems highly variable.  AA3100 gives no problems in my Ruger Stainless .243, but seems to blacken my Moly barreled 7RM.  IMR-4895 comes out in a single pass with Hoppe's No.9 in my CZ .223, but comes out in days with my Marlin .30-30.  ???

Not sure if it has any correlation with jacket composition, or not?



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I've found IMR4350 to be clean where I use it, IMR4320 is ok too. H1000 and IMR7828 seem to be the dirtiest for me, 4831 depends on cal, can be clean or dirty, seems cleaner on small cal, dirtier larger cal. Now on pistol, I can say Bullseye, at least for me is dirty, but cleans up easily.



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I have never had a problem cleaning rifle bores of powder residue. I use a nylon brush and 50-50 Shooters Choice adnd Kroil.



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I shoot alot of IMR4895. Seems like quite a bit of residue irregardless of caliber. IMR4350 seems about the cleanest of them all.



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RobertMT wrote: I've found IMR4350 to be clean where I use it, IMR4320 is ok too. H1000 and IMR7828 seem to be the dirtiest for me, 4831 depends on cal, can be clean or dirty, seems cleaner on small cal, dirtier larger cal. Now on pistol, I can say Bullseye, at least for me is dirty, but cleans up easily.

I have to agree about Bullseye being dirty.

It has to be the nastiest stuff I've ever used....

....but it consistently produces the best groups....

....and it wipes off with solvent.:cool:

So I keep on using it.:thumbs:

 



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Snobal wrote: I have to agree about Bullseye being dirty.

It has to be the nastiest stuff I've ever used....

....but it consistently produces the best groups....

....and it wipes off with solvent.:cool:

So I keep on using it.:thumbs:

 


Sounds like a good reason to use it to me.

I've used a lot of Red Dot, Green Dot, Unique, Herco, and 2400.  They all leave a lot of flaky residue.  Blue Dot does not.  ??

But they all shoot like a charm in a wide range of loads, so I keep using them.



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Doug B. wrote:
I shoot alot of IMR4895. Seems like quite a bit of residue irregardless of caliber. IMR4350 seems about the cleanest of them all.

hmmm... I've found H4895 to be one of the cleanest, at least for .308. I didn't think there was any real difference between H and IMR for 4895. I wonder if there's a difference in the powder or if there's some other variable(s) at work.



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Sasquatch wrote: Doug B. wrote:
I shoot alot of IMR4895. Seems like quite a bit of residue irregardless of caliber. IMR4350 seems about the cleanest of them all.

hmmm... I've found H4895 to be one of the cleanest, at least for .308. I didn't think there was any real difference between H and IMR for 4895. I wonder if there's a difference in the powder or if there's some other variable(s) at work.


I think there are some combinations of bullet weight and case design, that are responsive to the efficiency of the burn, and the distribution of the gasses and residues.

Either way, I don't worry too much about getting burned powder out.



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H-4895 and IMR-4895 are the very same powder. Hodgdon made it for Dupont for many years. Don't assume that all like numbered powders from Hodgdon and IMR are the same though. There's a lot of difference in most of them ie. 4831,& 4350.



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I've used 4227 powder for heavy cast bullet loads in 41 and 44 Mag since the 1970's.

Never did see much difference between IMR 4227 and H4227 because with a new lot of either powder, I had to adjust the charge weight a tad to get the velocity I wanted --- and there seemed to be as much variation between lot numbers as between these two brands.

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TMan51 wrote: Snobal wrote: I have to agree about Bullseye being dirty.

It has to be the nastiest stuff I've ever used....

....but it consistently produces the best groups....

....and it wipes off with solvent.:cool:

So I keep on using it.:thumbs:

 


Sounds like a good reason to use it to me.

I've used a lot of Red Dot, Green Dot, Unique, Herco, and 2400.  They all leave a lot of flaky residue.  Blue Dot does not.  ??

But they all shoot like a charm in a wide range of loads, so I keep using them.



I really liked Blue Dot when I first tried it, but quit using it when I discovered that a Blue Dot load for my 41 Mag revolver that grouped great on a warm day --- would not group when the temps dropped below freezing.        

Investigation with my chronograph showed when the Blue Dot load was chilled to below freezing (like in the fall when I was deer hunting with the gun) that load developed a shot-to-shot velocity variation in the hundreds of fps.

At that time I was also getting good groups with 4227 powder and although the average velocity with 4227 (or any other powder) dropped a bit with cooler temps, the shot-to-shot velocity variation did not change much from 60 degrees to well below freezing.

By the way.... Sorry about going off the topic of "clean burning powders." 

I can't help with "Clean Burning" suggestions, but if you want to make any powder look "dirty," just reduce the charge weight, reduce the crimp (or bullet pull weight), chill it to well below freezing, use a relatively light bullet weight, etc. etc.

JMHO - YRMV


 

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Snobal wrote:I can't help with "Clean Burning" suggestions, but if you want to make any powder look "dirty," just reduce the charge weight, reduce the crimp (or bullet pull weight), chill it to well below freezing, use a relatively light bullet weight, etc. etc 


The real answer.

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swampshooter wrote: H-4895 and IMR-4895 are the very same powder. Hodgdon made it for Dupont for many years. Don't assume that all like numbered powders from Hodgdon and IMR are the same though. There's a lot of difference in most of them ie. 4831,& 4350.What you're saying is load from published load data for "4895" and don't pay attention to either the "H" or "IMR" prefix? I always thought this was not the case for safety's sake.

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Posted from above:

"H-4895 and IMR-4895 are the very same powder. Hodgdon made it for Dupont for many years."

Never heard before that Hodgdon made powder for Dupont. Are you sure?

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for rifle never realy had a fouling problem.

I like the RL 15,17,19,22,25 , both versions of 4350 those seem to burn pretty clean.

For pistol red dot and universal are cleaner than most that I have tried ,

w231 kept fouling my 1911 pretty bad

I use h110 its dirty stuff but it is the magic for the 454casull



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Swampshooter, You might be right on the 4895s but the Hodgdon site still lists different loads for the two.
                                                                 GR     FPS                  GR      FPS
53 GR. SIE HP IMR IMR   4895 .224" 2.200" 24.5 3012 43,900 PSI 26.4C 3238 52,300 PSI

53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.200" 25.0 3166 37,400 CUP 27.0C 3383 48,600 CUP


I see one set of data in CUP and one in PSI. Probably done from different test barrels prior to the acquistion of IMR by Hodgdon. Loads are close though. RD



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