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Oh, and here's the backside of that evil device. Looks like it was having a bad day, don't it? Attachment: DSCN1893.JPG (Downloaded 67 times)
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Dirtkicker wrote:
Hi, Bill-
I used "good" because I have in the past handled some terrible specimens. Since I don't own an 1858 myself I can't advise you. I would imagine that a Uberti would be pretty good-- if they make one, and I think they do. I guess you just need to handle it, play with it, and see what it feels like.
But for the best in a "1858-like" six-shooter my vote would go to the Ruger.
Thanks! I'll ask some more questions of the vendor and keep the Ruger advice in mind as well. Appreciate your input!
Bill
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Ever come up with one?
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Wow, I'd forgotten I posted this. My son was deployed until April, then off to California for more training, then enjoying having him back up in the Northwest.
I have acquired all the long guns I was looking for and completed my reloading bench and have been reloading to my hearts content
The only thing I HAVEN'T managed to do is acquire my pistols
Those are still on my "to do " list and I'm still leaning towards the Taylor and Co reproductions, but truly have not done the research yet.
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Bill
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My last one was the Uberti 1861 Navy in .36 caliber...it has sent many critters to their maker.
Since I've had it the 1860 Army doesn't see much action anymore.
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My shooting buddy just bought a Rem 1858 Army from Cabelas for $185.
Made by Pietta of Italy.
I have the same revolver in 5-1/2" bb .44 Cal cap & ball.
Good gun, well made, accurate and a great price.
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Look for a STAR .44 BP revolver. It was double action.
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I got my 1858 from Cabela a while ago, it is a lot of fun. Have only gotten one G'Hog with.
Pietta Pistol uses Number 10 caps, not #11
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 12:32 AM |
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Are there magnum caps? for Pyrodex, etc.
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most italian copies do have the smaller nipples( and usually metric threads),the cci 10's seem to be in stock most places however thaz a positive note ! ( or at least they were until i said it lolz )one can usually pinch the bigger ones down a mite as well ...
" Extra-hot fire for faster, more complete burn on powder and Pyrodex® pellets. #11 Magnum that produces a 24 percent hotter flame - perfect for replica black powders also. Non-corrosive and non- mercuric. Per 1,000. "
http://www.cabelas.com/p-0006579213404a.shtml
and various other places ... are they better ? that seems to vary ,years ago i used to get some hot lil italian caps those i miss ! the remington and the ruger shoot really decent usually even feel fair in the hand and both have more power than the colts ( except... the walker ;) )but the navy grip on the colts is about nirvana ,the sweetest shooting one i had i, like a fool ..traded it away, the 49 baby dragoon , it wasnt a heavy hitter but it did it with the greatest of accuracy ,this thread has got me thinking or at least pondering ...how does this fit in with things like say kalifornia's banning of lead ? 
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 02:41 AM |
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I use the #10 Magnums from Cabela, they work and don't fall off.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 03:00 AM |
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since the italians are umm unnaccessible to me for a bit i use the cci's too and the remingtons and the rws's when i can find them ,the remingtons seem to "blow off" the nipple better for me (ie; i dont have to pry as many spent caps off) i wish they made'em in non corrosive lolz ,to me the nipple and nipple area is the hardest to clean on any cap n ball firearm and if it seems there's a crevice i missed it soon shows me lolz ,i have the lee mold for the 44's but my 45 acp 200 grainer works great cast soft and lubed with an spg type lube but unless using a wonder wad too one should still lube to protect against flash fires
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fryboy wrote:
I have the lee mold for the 44's but my 45 acp 200 grainer works great cast soft and lubed with an spg type lube but unless using a wonder wad too one should still lube to protect against flash fires
If I may ask a beginners question?
If you use a .45 acp in your .44 BP pistol, can a 38spl cast bullet be used in a .36 cal BP pistol? I have about 3000 small 100gr truncated cone 38spl cast bullets. As they are sized to .358 it would seem possible to me. I acquired them to load some up for my wife to start shooting, as well as being a lower cost practice/plinking round for me [ thus the small grain size] but would love to be able to use some for a .36 BP.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 05:43 AM |
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n15wb wrote:
If I may ask a beginners question?
If you use a .45 acp in your .44 BP pistol, can a 38spl cast bullet be used in a .36 cal BP pistol? I have about 3000 small 100gr truncated cone 38spl cast bullets. As they are sized to .358 it would seem possible to me. I acquired them to load some up for my wife to start shooting, as well as being a lower cost practice/plinking round for me [ thus the small grain size] but would love to be able to use some for a .36 BP.
Thanks,
Bill
the lee mold for .44 black powder revolvers is advertised to cast a .450 200 grain round nose out of pure lead, the 45 acp mold i have is a old double that cast 200 grain round nose that is .451 in an appox lyman# 2 alloy,the colt style revolvers use a .451 round ball that is shaved off when loaded,the remington .44 calls for a .454 round ball,the same size ( or close enough to it )as the 45 mold throws in soft lead but i size them down to .452 when i lube them ( it's fairly hard to cram them into a colt copy )
btw ? lee no longer makes that 45 acp mold or at least it isnt in their current listings :( they do make the 44 mold (two -one a wee bit bigger for the ruger old army ) as well as a 36 cal mold ( scroll down this page a wee bit )
http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1253678539.2174=/html/catalog/blackpow.html
alot would depend upon this boolit u have
#1 how soft is the lead ?
#2 .358 diameter ..problems now ...
the black powder 36 caliber shoots a .376 round ball , i have a feeling that even if it is short enough to fit into the loading gate ( ? gate?ok ok cutout ? lolz )it'll flop around in there with about .020 play ,if the lead is soft enough ( doubtful but possible ) u could possibly bump it shorter and fatter in a .375 sizing die , i never tried it so no quotes plz in a 36 caliber rifle it would be possible perhaps with the right thickness of patch or sabot material ,black powder was designed ( and usually works best with ) soft lead in mind,sometimes with a shallow rifling a harder alloy may be more accurate but it has to be soft enough to grip it and not so hard that it cant be loaded ,take the cylinder out and try dropping a boolit in the chamber if it drops in i wouldnt recommend it as is ,the lee mold in ur caliber isnt very costly nor is the round ball ,in a correctly loaded round ball it is shaved ( leaves a lil cool lead ring that can be a pita lolz )that seals the charge, it was found that flash fires mandated the use of grease as an added protective seal ( and the lube only helps ! )if it doesnt drop in easily and will fit in the loading gate try a single shot to see ,u may have to cut down on the powder charge if it sticks out of the cylinder,my fav for the 36 caliber is the buffalo ball-et 's ( they work great in the 44's too btw ;) )
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_99_311_313&products_id=3629&osCsid=590c68c2a0a10b0cda273b5532ded635
dixie has alot of great stuff btw and info (ie; that link or site is worthy of adding to ur fav's if u shoot or plan on shooting much black ) i also recommend their catalog as decent reads, reference,and possible parts etc
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Thank you for that great advice and education. I truly didn't know the actual caliber size of the .36 BP pistols. I own several lee molds for my cartridge pistols/rifles. I also have spent a fair amount of time on the Dixie site. Good stuff.
As stated above my preference is for a .44 cal, but thought I would ask about the .36 since I have an abundance of the .38 small cast bullets.
I will be continuing my education in the BP arts. 
Thanks again!
Bill
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 08:46 AM |
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What I think a lot of people miss with the Cap and Ball Pistols is the fact they are very powerful and can easily kill just like a modern weapon.
I have one of the Italian pistols in 44, it shoots well, using a pure lead ball (.454), one pyrodex pellet and a #10 cap it is very effective as good as many 38 Spls I have owned.
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Well, yesterday I dropped into my favorite little gun shop ( masquerading as a pawn shop, but 98% guns) and had look. I've found some great guns there hiding in dusty corners and cabinets.
I ended up purchasing a Cap and Ball pistol and am looking for info from you all as to what I have stumbled onto. I purchased a very nice US made High Standard .36 cal Leech and Rigdon revolver. Very nice workmanship, as I would expect from High Standard as I've been familiar with them for years from target shooting. Nice blued finish, steel frame, and brass trigger guard and strap. Long barrel.
I've done hours of internet searches and found out that High Standard made limited runs of Leech and Rigdon replica's, Griswold and Gunnison replica's and a centennial version of the G & G Cap and Ball.
Mine says it was made at the plant in Hamdon CT and has a serial # of 00I45. That's a capital i, not a 1.
Thanks!
Bill
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