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Shot all three loads (535g Woodleighs 90g and 95g H4895 and 570g TSX 95g H4895) both with and without a scope, all water jugs and water bottles DRT (Dead Right There) lol! Still have a ways to go. Chronographed all three loads, the 570g TSX's only got up to just over 2100 fps. I'm going to switch to RL-15. I think shooting the 570g TSX's at 2300 fps should be a good all around load. Still no problem shooting from the bench with a scope, off hand recoil is not an issue at all. My two friends loved it!
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Hi, I went out to the range today to do continue load development, for the first time I'm actually considering a lead sled lol. I shot five 3 shot groups using the Barnes 570g TSX with both H4895 (98 to 101 grains) and RL-15 (101 to 105 grains) ending at the recommended max for each in the Barnes Manual #4. Once I got close to the max (which showed no pressure signs at all) off of the bench to say it was painful would be an understatement. I did not develop a flinch, but I could see it happening if I continued (I shot 15 rounds from the bench (sitting), some just over 2300 fps. The difference in recoil between a 570g bullet at 2100 fps and 2300 fps is striking. That coupled with a the bench rest being too low tended to focus the recoil high up on the shoulder (ice bag on it now lol, pictures should it bruise up beautifully pictures will follow NOT)
I was shooting between 1.5" to just over 2" groups at 200 yards so accuracy was fine with all loads. I only have a 1.5 - 5x scope so a lot of the error was in sight picture as well as the shooter, the rifle is more accurate than me as is usually the case.
So all of you who recommended keeping the 500 Jeffrey load down to 500 NE levels, yes you were right of course. Shooting the 500 Jeffrey at relaxed 500 NE levels is fine (570g at 2100 fps), I'm sure off of sticks or offhand all of the loads I shot today would've been fine, but even though I intend to really limit any bench shooting, I want to be able to shoot a limited amount of rounds from the bench for load development and sight in without pain. I guess I've found my recoil tolerance level lol
Thanks all for all of your help, going to give the shoulder a few weeks to recover ...
Chuck
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I am also a 500 Jeffery nut. I'm building 3 of them now. One for each of my two sons.
I was with you all the way until you said Woodleigh bullets. I had very bad experience with the Woodleigh bullets. It very nearly ruined my African hunt. They would not hold up on velocities over 2000 fps. When I tried to talk to the woodleigh man at the Shot Show he totally ignored me. I now use Barnes and have had 100% success on every animal taken in Africa. I have used all my Woodleighs. They worked great on paper targets.
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I've heard the same comment about the Woodleighs from an Alaskan guide (Phil Shoemaker) who shoots a 510 Gibbs (505 Gibbs with a .510 caliber barrel). He shoots the 570g Barnes TSX's after dropping a charging Alaskan Brown Bear with the 535g Woodleighs softs twice. I guess he only got 18" of penetration. I switched over to the 570g Barnes TSX's and Banded Solids but I haven't shot anything with it yet. I'm shooting them at 2100 fps (500 NE velocity) in order to preserve my shoulder. It should be enough for Brown Bear and Cape Buffalo.
So I'm a 500 Jeffrey novice, willing to learn (I've reduced my handloads since I got a beautiful shoulder bruise from shooting 570g Barnes at 2400 fps 4 weeks ago from the bench to prove it ...)
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Chuck
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Hi Chuck,
I shot two cape buffalo with the soft nose Woodleigh bullets. Both animals showed no penetration from the soft point. Fortunately the PH insists that the remaining rounds in the rifle are solids so I got my animals. When we skinned them the soft nose looked like shot pellets slightly under the tough skin. The solids went right through the animal.
The next trip over I took two giraffe with one shot each using the Barnes tsx. I recovered one of these bullets. It went through a shoulder bone and straight into the heart. It had perfect expansion.
I have taken approx. 40 African animals, Canadian elk, black bear, sheep and antelope all with Barnes bullets (except for the first experience with the woodleigh).
When I hunt I always think that every shot fired is at least $1,000.00. Many hunts these shots exceed this cost. A wounded and lost animal is very bad for every one involved.
I love the large caliber rifles. Most of my hunting is done with a 9.3x64 Brenneke or a 450 Ackley. I also have my 500 Jeffery, 505 Gibbs, and a 510 Wells. I take a lot of pain pills!!!!!!!!
If my spelling or grammar is off it is because of over 50 years of recoil abuse.
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Glenn
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Thanks Glenn, I'm glad I'm on the right track with the Barnes TSX's and solids. They shoot real well in my CZ and I seat the TSX's out to 3.73" OAL in my rifle and still have .1" freebore. I'm taking the 500 Jeffrey Elk and Deer hunting this fall so my plan is to get real comfortable with it before I hunt anything dangerous with it.
Thanks for your advice,
Chuck
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Chuck,
Keep in mind that dangerous game will be taken at about 70 to 80 yards. Most PH's will not let you shoot over 100 yards. Even the non dangerous game will be taken at less than 100 yards. Your 1.5 Leupold is the perfect choice for a scope. On the high recoil rifles keeping your scope from moving is a real challenge.
There is no substitute for doing a lot of shooting and learning to not be afraid of the recoil. Once you have reached this point you really won't notice the recoil any more than you would a 308. Do a lot of shooting off from sticks versus the bench. And remember each shot is at least $1,000.00.
Regard,
Glenn
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