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Finally assembled the parts, just a working rifle in .35 Whelen.
Action is a Czech 1922, bottom metal from a 1909 Argentine, and barrel from Midway. Stock is a cheapy from Boyds, but is ok looking. Bedded it last weekend, now to mount a scope and wring it out. If it shoots half as well as the .338/06 I built, I'll be happy.
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very nice.
i was interested in the improved version of your cartridge for a while there before i finally choose the .358 cartridge i i did.
looking forward to your load development.
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Looks real good Charley Anxious to see how it shoots and ya like that 35 Whelen cartridge..
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Looks nice. I just finished an '09 Argentine in 30-06. The paint on finish is curing but here are some pics of the rifle before finish was applied.
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If someone was going to build a .35 whelen off of an existing rifle, what actions would work for such a purpose? I'm really interested in this rifle, too, but the building process is lost on me...
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Any action long enough for the .30/06 family of cartridges.
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Thanks Charley - so any action accepting the 30/06 family, and must be rebarreled, yes?
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Rebarreled or bored out and rifled. Rebarreling probably would be cheaper, depending on the action.
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Ringo wrote: If someone was going to build a .35 whelen off of an existing rifle, what actions would work for such a purpose? I'm really interested in this rifle, too, but the building process is lost on me...
-R.
Ringo. You could keep it simple and just pick up eiher a Ruger 77 or a Remington 700 as I believe they still make models in .35 Whelen.
Someone once said that the only proper action for a Whelen would have to be a 1903 Springfield as that's what the originals were made on. I'm not sure I agree s there are still weak Springfields around that would not be suitable. Anything suitable for the 30-06 would work, but if I wee going to buikd another one, I'd haunt the gun shows, look in the classifieds in the newspaper and just generally keep my eyes open for a J.C. Higgins Model 50 in either .270 Win. or 39-06 for the donor action. A 30-06 length Husqvarna would be a great find in the FN style action. The stock on the Higgins is a bit too clubby for my taste, but as we're doing this on the cheap we'll work with that. You can trim some of the wood off the stock and make it feel better.
I don't think the barrel can be rebored though as it is chrome lined. I'd replace it with a 22 to 24" Douglas barrel with a 1 in 12" twist. On that you'd have to check with whoever does the work. My riflehas a 23" barrel and a 1 in 14" twist. I did not build this rifle, but picked it up at an estate sale. I dunno who did the work, but at $900 I feel I stole the rifle. I have had two people offer me $3,000 for the rifle. The rifle fits me so well that it would be one of the very last I would part with.
OK, so why my choice of a Sear & Roebuck gun for the build? Money. With luck, you can find one in decent shape from anywhere around $200 to $400 depending on if the seller knows what he really has. I got one in .270 for $75 asthe outside was a tad rusty. I rebarreled that one to 7x57 Mauser and a restock and reblue job made it a whole new gun.
The J.C. Higgins m50's use an FN action made in Belgium and they were barreled by High Standard here in the states. I haven't clue who designed and made the stock but he must have had very large hands. Whittle it down a bit to make it feel more friendly and refinish, put on a good recoil pad and you'll have a right nice rifle for right around $700 to $800 tops. That just about what the new Rugers and remington's start at these days.
I'll be building another one on a Husqvarna 640 action (FN copy) that is the slickest Mauser action I've ever worked with. This one will have the 1 in12" twist. I personally do not approve of Ruger and Remington using the 1 in 16" twist. It'll work with bullets up to 250 gr. in weight, but not so well with heavier bullets should you need them. Still, a 250 gr. bullet of plain old cup and core will work for anythin in North or south America including thegreat bears. Still for them, I would probably go with one of the pricey premiums, just in case.
Anyway, that's how I'd do it.
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Good looking rifle! Does annyone have reloading info on .35 remington?
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The .35 Rem. is about the equal of the .30-30 and .32 Sp., many loads are very nearly the same, some people feel the larger diameter bullet improves the killing power even with somewhat lower velocity.
I have a Handi in .357 Max., easily duplicates factory .35 Rem. though the .35 Rem. can be loaded up more in a good bolt action.
I have a Handi in .35 Whelen, it likes cast bullets and can be loaded to full velocity with jacketed bullets, I have 200gr psp and 250gr rn, both shoot well.
I could be well equipped for all NA game and likely all African as well with just a .35 Whelen, remember, many elephants and buffalo have been taken with smaller cartridges.
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Drinks,Howdy amigo,been a long time and good to see ya!!!
Yup W.M. Karamojo Bell put down a bunch of elephants with his 275 Rigby..aka 7x57mm..
It is also noted that many who tried to duplicate his feats died under the feet and tusks of elephants..
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Yep, but you can find plenty of ways to become a big grease spot, some Boers told me of a PH who went to some bushes to take care of some business and literally got caught with his pants down and had an elephant tap dance on him.
OOOOOOh, I bet that hurt!
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looks great i have almost purchased a half dozen different 35 whelen and the 35 Whelen AI but always passed for something else. I will have one someday. NICE JOB!
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I have a Remington Model 700 CDL in .35 Whelen. It is no tack driver but I have not had any time to work up any good loads for it either. I have however taken a couple of deer with the Remington 200 grain factory load and it performed great.
There is a great website for all 35 caliber rounds (http://www.35cal.com) but it must be down right now…
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Back in the 40's and up through the 60's the 35 whelen was very popular because it could be chambered in any springfield, enfield, or mauser military action. It really is a beautiful shooting rifle. It has excellant performance results.
Here is a story about a 35 whelen:
There was a very prominent stockmaker named Byrd Pearson and a gunmaker and machinist name Ted Blackburn. Together they built Byrd a custom 35 whelen. This was a thing of beauty. Byrd treasured this rifle and rightly so because great love was put into building all the components of this firearm.
Byrd passed away about 4 years ago. About 2 weeks after his passing, I happened to be passing through a town north of Byrds home and I stopped at a pawn shop to snoop around for interesting rifles. Low and behold here stood Byrds pride and joy. One of his decendants quickly sold Byrds rifle for a pittance to this broker. I now, of course, own Byrds pride and joy. As the pawn broker stole this treasure from one of Byrds kin, I stole it from the broker because he had no idea of the value the rifle held.
I now reflect on where my treasures will end up. How about you handloaders do you wonder where your fun guns will be when your gone? Hmmmmmmmm
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Actually, I believe the .35 Whelen was much more popular before WW-2. Elmer Keith did a lot of work with the round in the 1920's and 30's until he worked up his .333 O.K.H. which later became, for all practical purposes the .338-06. The Whelen did not come into it's own as a factory round until 1988 IIRC when Remington legitimized the round.
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Hi Paul,
I sure can't argue your point, because I think you are correct. My plain of reference was following ww-2 there was an abundance of 06 military ammo available to the public. This made making many cartridges possible so thats where I came into handloading with P.O. Ackley as a mentor. Parker got me hooked real good on wildcating. The 35 whelen was a favorite of many handloader-hunter riflemen, me included.
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msisut wrote: Hi Paul,
I sure can't argue your point, because I think you are correct. My plain of reference was following ww-2 there was an abundance of 06 military ammo available to the public. This made making many cartridges possible so thats where I came into handloading with P.O. Ackley as a mentor. Parker got me hooked real good on wildcating. The 35 whelen was a favorite of many handloader-hunter riflemen, me included.
I have a poor copy of an article written by Col. Whelen from a 1923 issue of the American Rifleman where he discusses the origin of the Whelen and his first rifle is pictured for illustration. Naturally, it's on a 1903 Springfield.  it's interestingas in that article, he takes credit for designing the cartridge, yet later in his book THE HUNTING RIFLE he gives credit to James Howe who named the round after his boss, Col. Whelen. That's left some people confused as to who really did develop the round, but either way, I'm glad they did.
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Paul,
It's interesting that you mention the 1903 Springfield because it was my first rifle I built. Ackley advised me to stay clear of Springfields with serial numbers less that 875,000 because they were not double heat treated. I developed such a love for the Springfield action that I bought almost every one that I ran across. Many of these I removed the stocks (some were lousy attempts for customizing), chopped off the barrels and stored the actions. Not a bad decision because they have been getting few and far between. Having the inventory has been nice because I've drawn from it for many of my custom rifles.
This is a fun thread on the 35 Whelen. Thanks for making it so!
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