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TightGroup Powder
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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2009 08:23 PM
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Over the years reloading for 38 sp and 357 Mag I started with Unique. All was well except the powder was very dirty even after I got the "new" improved version. I don't know what the old version was like, but the new shot great - but my hands were coated with lots of black residue.

I read reviews about TightGroup and have switched a few years ago. The soot is still there and my hands are much less coated after 50 rounds or so, but my question is , is any powder really that clean or do all powders leave behind residue that gets on your hands to some degree when working with revolvers?

Company's state "clean burning" but is that really the case?

I am hoping someone has experience with a really "clean" and yet good performing powder - I know nothing is a free ride, just looking for a product that I don't need a shop rag after a shooting session.

I know everyone has their favorite powders, but are any really clean burning??

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 Posted: Wed Sep 2nd, 2009 08:35 PM
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How hot are you loading your 357 with unique. I dont have my load data with me at the moment but I remember when working up a 158gr LSWC load with unique the slower loads with light crimp it was dirty but when i increased the crimp and upped the speed it burned pretty clean.



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Very good question -

I am using 357 mag cases and only loading them to 800-900 FPS velocities w/ 158 Lead.. If I understand you direction of thinking - maybe this powder doesn't burn clean with reduced loads?? The bullet crimp was snug, just enough to eliminate bullet pull during recoil.



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For 38 Spl, I use Unique and for 357 Mag I use 2400. For the 357 Mag, I also use 296 and IMR 4227 powders depending on the bullet.

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Jerry, can you comment on the cleanliness?

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Clean is a relative term, as hot or cold is. Powder manufactures promote their powders as clean burning. (Relative to what?) With that said, certain powders are very clean within their designers purpose. An example are the crossover shotshell powders. In a 12 gauge target load they are clean, some unbelievably so. Load the same powder in a low velocity pistol round and it changes personalities and is varied clean to smokey, with some quite dirty. As pressure goes up, so does the cleanliness. BUT use caution as pressure builds quickly with the faster shotshell powders. I like Clays for my cast bullet loads at 850.



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 Posted: Thu Sep 3rd, 2009 06:34 PM
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My old .38 Special loads were made with Red Dot, so I am accusmtomed to fairly 'dirty' loads in that caliber - but my current loading is using Bullseye - much 'cleaner' by comparison.

My pet .357 Magnum loads use Hodgdon's Lil Gun - that is a pretty clean powder too, but the loads are on the upper end of the spectrum, not slow.



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I like clays, just clays not international clays.havent tried that one so can't recomend it. and the old 15.0 gr of 2400 under 125 jhp for 357



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I've beeb using Clays for light .38 target loads. Also tried the newer Unique but Clays burns cleaner IMO. RD



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Good info, agree with the "high pressure, clean burn" theory.  In working up loads of TiteGroup for a .45 Gap, the lighter starting loads were pretty grungy, cleaned up considerably as the velocity and pressures increased.  Every powder I've used, whether it's pistol, rifle, or shotgun has left residue to some degree, am not aware of any that are totally clean.



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