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OK guys. I've been going thru all the past posts again. Please understand - I'm not a troll, and not trying to be a smartass, but I see a whole lot of posts regarding squibs. I understand they are dangerous and Thank God I personally haven't loaded any yet. BUT..... how in the world do folks have them and not know it? Not only less recoil, action on a semi not cycling, weak soundind shots, little or no recoil, etc, but doesn't EVERYONE look at their target and see where their shots are going? Even in the fast action sports(I used to shoot PPC) you need to know where you're hitting to be able to correct your aim. You know, like, 'woohoo a new hole in the target' for each shot????? Are people really out there with such poor trigger control that they can't stop shooting if something doesn't seem right?
How many people just go out and pull the trigger just to make noise? Who can afford that??? What is everyone else's view on this? I'm cornfuseled........... 
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| Posted: Wed Sep 9th, 2009 09:55 PM |
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Some people get caught up in the moment, I suppose.
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Have never had a squib load but can easily see how one could fire another round. Rapid fire sometimes becomes it's own master. wc
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The couple times I have accidentally loaded rifle squibs, I caught them BEFORE going to the range. Of course, I would have felt the lack of "BANG!" and recoil, and I always have a cleaning rod to remove one - have done so for a couple range buddies.
The only range squibs plaguing me have been a box of quirky .357Mag hand loads - bad powder apparently. Primers fire, and the bullet gets stuck - easy to hear and feel again. And one had the JHP stuck in the danged muzzel - gave my buddy a good laugh!  He had the gall to call it my "Safety load"....... 
Switched powders and haven't had that problem since.
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When shooting rapid fire the trigger finger is frequently outshooting the brains ability to react.
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I've never had a squib load I didn't recognize. (Yet.)
In fact, that 'phffft!' sort of noise scares me more than a bang.
I've never had a squib in an autopistol that would cycle the pistol. I've heard others say they have, but never to me, in any sort of autopistol or ammo.
Usually in a revolver, the bullet jams in the forcing cone and locks up the mechanism.
I always carry brass rods. It's simpler than going home. (I've gone home a couple times.)
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I reload quite a few (1000's) rounds and I have had 1 squib. I think it happens or can happen when one gets tired. I reload a lot at night and have learned to call it quits when I really should be in BED!
I agree with Old man montgomery that the 'phffft!' is more scary than a bang!
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Our gun club held a basic pistol class last week and we covered squib loads during the class. The day we had the live fire course everything went very well and the students had a ball. Afterwards some of us instructors were shooting our pieces, and a couple students stayed back to watch. One instructor had not one, but two squib loads in his .357 Mag revolver. The first one happened to a student firing his revolver, the second one happened to him. It was ammo he had loaded on another guys progressive press. He had fired maybe 20 rounds out of 100 he had loaded on that press, so it was decided that he needed to pull some bullets. Not one of us there had ever experienced nor witnessed a squib load, but it turned out to be a great traing aid.
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Thanks, guys.
Bill, I'm not disputing that squibs CAN happen, I've read of factory squib loads.
I guess my quandry is how does anyone actually fire a squib and not realize it. I look at every target I shoot as I'm shooting it looking for new holes - in the middle and close together - though that doesn't happen all that often. 
That plus recoil, plus the sound, plus the pistol not cycling.......... don't know, maybe I'm just lucky. If so............... hope I stay that way!
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izzie amigo ..perhaps it's half in joke when i say(and i like to say it too) i'm too poor to pay anything but attention....the very first squib i ever was close to was when i was younger,out runnin' the dogs after coons ( at one time the hides were worth something) in the heat of a dog/coon fight my dad's .22 failed to go off ( happens alot with .22 sometimes) he chambered another as coons can tear dogs up pretty bad,granted it was dark,it was a hurry hurry situation,it bulged the barrel,luckily that'z all that happened ermm well dead coon but ...the outcome could of been vastly different had it been a hi-power round,i've seen guys at ranges that i can only guess their intent is to empty mags as quick as possible,never even caring if they hit the target ,i prefer not to shoot around that type,my own only personal squib was a 12 gauge,yes the abnormal sound and feel can scare any sane person,the load i didnt term a squib - sounded more like a blooper to me - the lead shot did leave the barrel...barely ,the wad was petal only protruding from the barrel,yes i caught it remedied it and tried one more shell it didnt feel right and that box got cut open and the shot and wad saved the rest went in the trash ,the only answer i can think of to ur question is i guess some folks think they are too rich to pay attention either that or never forget firearms in untrained hands scare the bejeezus out of me ,did u see the video of the fire fight in ohio ? i agree the amazing part is that no one got hurt( major miracle IMO )note the guy shooting under the pool table...semi auto ..bang bang bang...umm what was he shooting at ? the floor ? had one shell not ejected he would of either traded mags or cycled the next and never noted that there maybe a bullet in the bore,the guy outside ? one looked like he had a d/a revolver..if it didnt go bang he would of pulled the trigger again ( and again -prolly did too after it was empty )none of those guys seemed proficient with firearms- none ,nor would they of noted if they had a squib,regardless both sides make legit owners/users look bad as well as giving the anti's ( which includes most of the MSM )ammo to use against the legit folks ,i know folks who have a ccl who really have no idea how to use their weapons ,thaz sad AND scary...[sigh]
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fryboy,
Point taken. Especially about the rimfires. All I'm handloading for right now is handguns. Been shooting for 40 years of which four were in the Marine Corps. Handloaded .45 acp for about 5 years, then got out of it for about 10 years and now back. Maybe handloading makes me extra careful. I hope so.
Maybe I should have included the words sane and knowlegable in my question.
Saw that filmclip of the shootout in Toledo. About 70 miles north of me. Sure am glad I don't go to bars and live out in the boonies. Just me and my red neck, white socks, and Pabst Blue Ribbon beer! Oh, and my 125 lb half pit and half rot lapdog!!!!
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if u add the words sane and knowledgeable i do believe the instances drop dramatically ( thank god ) i have a friend who got a full blooded rot ,it was a lil bitty pup when she did, btw ? she (the friend) mite top the scales at 90# soaking wet with layers of clothes on of course when the pup was small it was cute,cuddly and sadly always on her lap ,needless to say that the pup grew up to be a shade over 150# and for the longest time she couldnt fathom why it would sit at her feet and look at her with the "want" of puppy dog eyes and the umistakable whine that goes along with it , i told her that he just wanted up on momma's lap ( tis true he did ) she said " no way in the world ! he's twice as big as i am!" lolz
i believe that"most" handloaders are much more knowledgable especially concerning squib type loads etc after all non shooters or even those that dont shoot too much never reload
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my own only personal squib was a 12 gauge,yes the abnormal sound and feel can scare any sane person,the load i didnt term a squib - sounded more like a blooper to me - the lead shot did leave the barrel...barely ,the wad was petal only protruding from the barrel,yes i caught it remedied it and tried one more shell it didnt feel right and that box got
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My only "squib" was also a 12 gauge - shot cleared the trap house, wad didn't make it to the house. I dropped my wadknocker down the barrel just to make sure. The rest of the box and rest of the batch worked fine. Somehow my 650 made a partial powder drop - actually, I was using the universal charge bar. And there was no mistaking the big difference in sound even with my Peltors in place.
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