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My book tells me to have a 1.275 length. This has been working fine until a new batch of bullets. The new ones are stubby and the wide part is closer to the top of the cone (185GSWC) with a shorter cone.. If I seat to my normal 1.275 they fit in the guage but will not chamber in my 1911. Removing the barrel I found out they chamber if I seat them to abount 1.150 nicely (the wide part is almost into the case). Is it ok to seat them that far? Will it affect anything? Thanks
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hmmm 185gswc = ???? semi wadcutter..lead? grand slam semi wadcutter?when one sets bullets deeper pressures tend to rise.....espeially with pistol rounds which operate on small charges of powder and space ,alot depends upon ur load ..if ur load is toasty i hesitate but then again the books usually state that any time a component is changed( be it case primer bullet etc etc ) to drop down and work back up while it isnt as critical with starting loads it definitely gets or can get that way with max loads
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I seat down to 1.210 comfortable with 185gr HP but you do have to be careful with pressure. Very short COAL will take up a lot of space in the case and a couple tenths of a grain will separate your working load from a max load. My sierra manual lists a couple loads with 185 and 200gr FPJ seated to 1.155" but if you are using lead and/or a long bullet, I dunno. Be careful with pressure and start with a safe min load if you do this.
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Thanks Fryboy. 185G copper SWC Match. I was using 200SWC and Just bought a whole bunch of the 185s from midway. I am using very mild Loads 4 -8 G under mimimum book. I am looking for just enough push to get 50 feet in a straight line and cycle slide.
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I must be getting tired and probably should stop loading for tonight (had a great two day appleseed shoot over the weekend). When comparing to another load I see that the depth of the seat is pretty close to what I have been using (about the same free space in case). The shorter bullet is making up the difference in length.
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wow i got ta help once ? cool ermm i mean ur welcome lolz,i do find it odd that a lighter boolit is bigger on top tho ,usually lead based bullets in the swc styles are meant to be lightly tapered crimped on the forward edge( usually) or reasonably close to that but now that i know ur using lighter bullets which are shorter in the back end that helps , keep in mind that one can use a charge for a heavier bullet with a lighter bullet but not the other way around ( adding a lil more safety factor ( along with the shortness not taking up more case space )my poor ol tattered 47th lyman list a swc style in 185 @ 1.135and lead 195g @ 1.120( and a lead 185 rn @1.080) u may actually have to bump up the powder to get the correct functioning with the lighter bullets,unjacketed/plated lead take less powder being as lead has more lubricity than the jacketed/plated versions and it takes more powder to move the lighter bullets( as a general rule)stay safe amigo and again ur welcome glad i could help !
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Knew I was too tired last night, there should be a point in there somewhere .4 to .8 less then book start. Gotcha on the recoil springs, seems like it is cheeper to order a whole set and try them until I am happy. Also I can't find any Bullseye here locally, and don't want to pay hazmat. I am currently using Titegroup unless you can recomned another substitue.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 6th, 2009 04:40 PM |
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When you are tired, you make mistakes, I been there and done that.
Refer to some reloading Hnadbook like the Lyman 49th for CAOL.
230gr bullet - 1.275" OAL TMJ
225gr bullet - 1,243" COAL Jacketed HP
200gr Bullet - 1.178" COAL Jacketed HP
185gr Bullet - 1.175" COAL Jackeyed HP
185gr Bullet - 1.135" COAL Jacketed SWC
Lead
225gr Bullet - 1.272" COAL Lead RN
200gr Bullet - 1.235" COAL Lead SWC
Hope this helps,
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ummm not always paul but quite often i speak fluent typo lolz ( especially since i make so many of them myself) common sense dictates that if some one post a load of powder that is a negative load...well u get the idea.....
there are many powders that could and would work , ur using one of them lolz alot depends on what is available,the list is staggering of what could work -right down to black powder( but in a auto uugh )the clays line all works and just about any of the faster burning shotgun powders,i use alot of unique for cast but my powerhouse loads are +p loaded with power pistol( rather nasty lookin hollow cavity type things-yes cavity not merely hollow point)i've used alot of powder over the years in the 45 some of my fav's have been ww super lite,ww 571,aa7,red dot ,that's one of the beauty's of reloading we can try about anything that works and for casual plinking the demands arent that stringent , i believe i used up the last of my old supply of green dot makin plinkers for this round ( bet it takes along time to use up my herco and 571 in it too lolz prolly run out of primers first )
it kinda thru me jerry when my newer lymans only started with the 200 gr lead boolits , i doubt if i buy the next one ( but now if i can just find a better shaped #'s 46 & 47 as i have kinda worn those to rags )unless they decide after all these years to put out another cast bullet handbook..
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" Is it ok to seat them that far?"
Yes.
Will it affect anything?'
Yes, it will work.
"Thanks"
You're welcome! 
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Hello friend,
I had the same problem early on. This bullet sounds like it mimics the contours of the H&G#130. This bullet puts more weight in the rear of the slug. It has a longer bearing surface. It has a short squat appearance. Mine were seated to far out. I had failure to chamber issues.
From some of the research I had to do, I gathered that my barrel would make a good head space gauge. Seat the bullets in far enough so that the cartridge is flush with breech end of the barrel. Just so the bullet is touching the rifling. When the slide closes, you should have very little space between the breech face and the cartridge base. If you experience failure to feed, seat the bullets alittle deeper. This also will/should increase the accuracy of your reloads.
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Remove your barrel and adjust your oal so the base of the loaded cartridge is flush with the end of your barrel hood. This will provide your best accuracy giving your cartridges zero head space. Check at least 8 or 10 rounds and if any extend past the rear of the barrel hood adjust your seating depth accordingly. Any case that extends past the rear of the barrel hood will not allow your slide to go forward far enough to allow the pistol to fire.
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I load for an AMT long slide.200 gr SWC and 3.6 of 700X.[bullseye].I roll crimp in top band,iI also load the 185 gr same way.I have no trouble at 50 yrds.in compitition.
they also work in two other 1911s and with factory springs.
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I don't have any light loads to offer in .45acp, I have to make a "power floor" in my IDPA matches, and with my 185gr LSWC's, I need arround 940+fps minimum to do it. (bullet weight x velocity >= 177,000).
As noted above, teh list of powders is seemingly endless. arround 2000 (Y2K) I must have tried out a half-dozen things, looking for something "cleaner-burning" than trusty old Red Dot. Vhitavouri N340 (still a bit of that here), WST, and several others I don't recall at the moment. Found nothing really better, nothing really worse.
Currently on price, testing out a loading of a Czech. shotgun powder, "Rex #2", virtually identical to my Red Dot loading. As good as anything else IMO, no worse.
Llama XIA 1911A1 clone.
The reduced spring thought is a good oner if you are really trying to make "blooper" loads extremely light, I don't recall weights, Brownells.com sure to have them, as they have everything one could dream of IMO for the 1911. 12 pounds seems to be the ballpark.
I run a 22 pounder personally, as well as pads to keep the slide from hammering the frame into cracking, but, as noted, my .45 lives at the upper end.
Good luck to ya.
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There are two ways to abuse a .45, by letting the slide slam back too hard and by letting the slide slam forward too hard. The .45 is desgned to use a 16-16 1/2# recoil spring, anything heavier is hard on the gun. I broke the lugs off the bottom of a kimber barrel using a 22# recoil spring. Many of the newer powders are cleaner burning than red dot or bullseye. I'm using universal right now, and so far, very pleased with it's performance.
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Swampshooter, there is also advice in one of my 1911 tech manuals that states (and I do not have the exact quote, I may try to look it up later) "For extended shooting of full power ammunition, a heavier recoil spring is advised".
I suspect I will find it, if I dig my glasses out later, in my M1911/M1911A1 Pistols Shop Manual.
Jerry Kuhnhausen - Author.
Not name dropping for any assist, just noting the source book, and the title is not exact, it's kinda lengthy.
I shoot an average of 300 rounds a month, some months more like 400, so I decided to go this way.
I also up-sprung my EAA Witness Compact .45 as well, but, ity being a shortie, the rates were, and are, corespondingly lower. I think I went from 13# stock to 17#.
I also suspect, that my 22# spring from 1999, is no longer 22#, as the gun is never "dismantled" for "spring rest" it is always assembled unless being cleaned, and I have no intent to replace the spring any time soon. It may well only be 19 or 20# by now.
Just measured the recoil spring in my A-5 shotgun last night, and need to order new springs, as it is 3/4" under minimum relaxed lenght.
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And on the opposite end of the spectrum, I just recalled a vivid memory from a 2000-ish IDPA match where one of the shooters was an INS agent (before "DHS"), shooting his issued Barretta M92F, and using his issued ammo (a good idea IMO), Remington Golden Sabre JHP, +P+ (apparently INS was serious!).
I have read that, to attempt to roughly judge recoil spring weight/slide velocity/ammunition "fit", the brass from a semi-auto should land in an area aprox 3 to 6 feet beside and behind the shooters right shoulder.
People will now think I am exagerating, I swear I am not.
This gent's brass, when he was shooting a stage/scenario, was making at least 12' vertical, and I was catching it, at minimum, 15' off his aft/right side. I wasn't picking it up from the grass (I would have been, as I was "shagging brass" awaiting my turn to shoot, picking up shooters brass and returning it, while others also did, while more "next-ups" pasted the holes in the targets for the next guy.
The brass was leaving the M92, going 12' up, and traveling between 15 and 20 feet while airborne.
I was not the only guy waiting who was "playing catch".
IMO, that pistol needed up-sprung to eat a steady diet of that ammo, up-sprung by SEVERAL pounds.
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Another thing I saw Sunday Night at my IDPA match (and had last spring in my Star 9mm).
Guy was having trouble manually shucking the last round out to clear after a course of fire was shot.
My issue was eratic closure fully into battery.
Both rounds OAL was correct, in my case, seating depth was to the OAL recomended in the bullet maker's loading manual.
I cannot speak to the other loader's OAL reason, unknown.
Both bullets were a Truncated cone flat point profile, his jacketed, mine very hard cast (Lasercast)
Both rounds, this seating left the shoulder on the bullet out of the case something close to .100", which, when looked at closely, was scarred on the side/edge/corner, by the rifling leade.
Both needed to be seated back in the case farther to function properly. I re-set mine (moderate target load, so I lost no sleep over pushing some deeper and test-firing, then re-setting the rest), we'll see about his next Tues @ the match.
So, there's more to watch, especially on some bullet styles, than just OAL, and, IMO, the bullet ogive to rifling distance is more valuable/important than Over All Length, as long as OAL allows it to fit in the magazine (rifle or handgun).
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