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    While cleaning out some boxes of reloading goodies that I acquired through the years I came across this cartridge. The case measurements at the rim and the head match a modern 45-70 case =/- .002. The case is exactly the same length as a 45-70 modern case. There is a round nose, fairly soft, lead bullet loaded in the case. It measures .430. The case is pretty much straight tapered with a hint of a straighter neck at the top 1/3 of the case. Any thoughts on the cartridge ID or on the headstamp would be appreciated. RD

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  • #2
    RD, in the .303 world - RFI means Rifle Factory Ishapore.
    Would that cartridge match .410 spec's?

    nevermind, just did a quick comparison
    sorry no help here...
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    • #3
      Not sure about the skinny bullet? Should be a 45/70. I believe it is berdan primed? If it had a C it would have been a carbine load.

      R = Rifle

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      • #4
        My oldest paper box.

        Same cartridge but from 1874.
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        • #5
          deaddog, That is awesome! That means the case is 136 years old! I've searched all over for the info but only got part of it. In my search i found out that the case was probably a 45-70. But there was also a brief mention that cartridge collectors can be confused by the fact that the 45-70 was used as a base case for other calibers as well as early experimenters in the (now named) "wild cat" field.

          I wonder if anyone in 2156 will look at a TW 43 headstamp, short necked flat shouldered case with a .264 bullet and say what the heck is this cartridge? And someone else will say "This is a 30-06 Springfield case from WWII 1943 Twin Cities Arsenal. Not sure about the skinny bullet." RD
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          • #6
            You have a nice collector piece there.


            In 2156 they will be too involved with Covid 759 to worry about wildcats...

            You had an easy one. Try deciphering some Turkish Cyrillic/Latin stuff.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by deaddog View Post
              You have a nice collector piece there.


              In 2156 they will be too involved with Covid 759 to worry about wildcats...

              You had an easy one. Try deciphering some Turkish Cyrillic/Latin stuff.
              I'd guess, and only a guess, 8mm Hungarian?
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